Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But Morrigan, he shouldn't have to do even the tiniest thing to defend himself such as move one system over. That amount of effort is "unreasonable" compared to how hard he has to work to stay awake after all.

He should be able to push a button and ruin the entire intended purpose of cloaks, because he can't be asked to lift a finger in his own defense.

Intel can be gathered quite quickly and easily from local. I click on local, hit ctrl-c, open up the in game browser go to the parsing page hit ctrl-v and bam I get a very nice summary of corporations and alliances.

You can get it the instant local is populated and will give you a good initial estimate of your enemies fleet size as well.

As for ship types and fleet strength, d-scan and rinse and repeat the process.

If I were a scout, in a cloaky or even better an interceptor, I'd do it the second local was populated, before I even tried to get off grid with the gate. If I had enough time, I might try to hit d-scan too, or when I am in warp getting off grid to give the intel to the FC as quickly as possible.

Now you know fleet size, fleet composition, and so forth. All super cheap and super fast. Any complete nub can get this in an interceptor or even a shuttle or pod.

We even have general idea of location too...they are in system XY-Z123.

To finish off your list, we'd need probes. But probes can work on many ships, not just cloaking ships.

So, the bottom line, intel is cheap and has been cheap for a very, very long time thanks to features you have been defending with some of the most idiotic offal to come out a person's key board.

Sure. Not that it matters. Defense is why this character was created in the first place.

Local is 100% accurate, and it's 99% useless. All it says is someone is somewhere in the solar system. Big Whoop. It does not need a cloak to counter it as it's not doing anything anyway, and everyone has it all the time.

You cling so hard to your precious idea that everyone other than you should be completely clueless and unprepared to meet you in combat. It's sad really.

You can get all that info without local too. Just do a search on anyone's name. That's not a local thing.

All Local says is that they are somewhere in the solar system.

You can see what they commonly kill things in and get killed in by going to third party web sites, but that info is not only not in game and therefore not a balance consideration, but also freely available without local. Sorry... it's just not a local issue at all. At best it's an educated guess based on past activity voluntarily given to a third party site.

Up to date, precise intel is something that can only be gained by flying up and looking. That should not be anywhere near as risk free as it is now. Remove that ability from cloaked ships, or adjust the safety to an appropriate level.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh man, oh my. Never in my life have I heard such hogwash.

I mean, not even in highsec, where you live, is it useless.

I honestly can't believe you just made that statement.





You're not clueless if you make the effort. The only person that chose to be unprepared is you. No-one makes you rat in 100% min maxed things. Again, see the CFC and how they manage, because they manage just fine with neutrals in their "99% useless" (/snort) local.

You can dishonestly try to minimize the impact of local, but it's absolutely untrue. It is one of the most powerful tools in this game, and what's more it's instant, free, infallible and untouchable.

And you won't have it for long, I suspect.

Right which is why the first thing any scout does is look at local. Totally useless, and scouts never report who is in local.

Holy mother fracking sheep dip.

That info absolutely is part of local, it's just sorted and organized by the third party tool.

Try again.

You seem to flop between it having value and not.

Regardless, that lowest level of intel - who is in system right now- is all local provides. Everything else is available generally in game, or only through third party tools.

You cannot know what they are flying through it, only guess. You cannot know who is in fleet with them, only guess. You cannot know their location without scanning. You cannot know what they are doing without going to look.

What I asked was since when was detailed info on your enemies worthless. You claimed since local, which isn't the intel being referred to and has always been in game, which makes you either a blind fool (which I don't believe in your case, unlike K) or else lying to support your dogmatic position. If you want to bald face lie, that's cool... but it means your credibility is shot either way.

As far as I am concerned the conversation ended with that statement. You simply cannot have a reasonable conversation with unreasoning people.

Correct. Dscan in a hole and find a dozen hulls on scan. Likely enemy fleet? POS trash? Blue fleet? I don't know. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE LOCAL.

Likewise when to bug out of an engagement is and (until it dies in a fire) always will be - watching for the local spike. I don't even know how many ships I've not lost because the minute local balloons you break off. Sometimes you win the DPS race, sometimes you don't. Except when you don't, instead of dying in a bubble filled doom, you bail out. Because local spikes hard.