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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#41 - 2016-01-23 12:46:13 UTC
Chasida wrote:
Just to clearify; my toon is BROKE! I need to make ISK to function! Got less then 10 mill right now!

I am not asking on advice on how to stockpile ISK like that is the point of the game. I live in null space, and I do not have ISK! Belt ratting is SLOW! Doing cosmic sigs give little ISK, if you arent very lucky and get a rare blueprint etc. Most of the stuff I find in belts or sites arent even wanted in the market in nullsec. In home systems there are neutrals in local 24/7. This is what frustrates me! It looks like no matter what I do, I use more ISK then I earn...

I got the impression that doing data/relic sites gave good ISK, far more then belt ratting, but so far I do not see much of that phat ISK. The only thing I know so far that does give good ISK is escalations, which I cannot run due to a ship fitted for a 10/10 cost 1+ billion ISK, and are very deadly in null sec.

I have been playing with the idea of going neutral, and going back to high sec, trying to find a remote/little unused part of high sec/low sec/null sec (if such a thing even exist), where I can do site/escalations, while I at the same time duo with an alt and I skill him up...

Simply put; I do not know what to do to earn ISK, why I made the post...


i don't think your attitude belongs here, dude. you sound whiney, needy, and incapable. o.O

Just Add Water
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#42 - 2016-01-23 13:56:25 UTC
Chasida wrote:
scamming (and buying selling clearly wrongly priced items) may be the only way to make some fast isk in this game, but this is not my thing, neither in RL nor in a game.


I'm so glad scamming is not your thing in real life, good on you!

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#43 - 2016-01-23 18:39:39 UTC
Making money?

I've always done 3/10's and now I can do 4/10's pretty comfortably. Though the loot is very random and not really something you can count on in an ISK/hour mindset.

If I got a few friends on and we find a C1-C2 somewhere, we can crush all the sites together pretty fast and split the loot however many ways.

I think the best money for solo and a new player has gotta be in pirate Relic sites.

(This is just my experience)

@lunettelulu7
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#44 - 2016-01-24 18:21:03 UTC
Cannibal Zuza wrote:
The golden age for awokers draws nigh. Soon Eve would become a awokers paradise once CCP releases SP skill extractors/injections into this fabulous game. Soon you'd be able to train a awokering toon in just 1 week, biomass, rinse and repeat till your hearts desire. Just one awoxer can net you 30-60 bill in 6 months easy. The trick is to not rush it and to plant 6-8 thorns into the big alliances like Goons who have far too many members for their own good. Once you sneak in the Goons, try to discover where all the afk ratters go and give them a warm greeting with your other ganking alt. Killing afk Ishtars and Rattlesnakes can net you 3-4 bill a week easy per toon.



Skillpoints eventually top out, this gives the skillpoints recycleability and more value.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#45 - 2016-01-25 07:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Chasida
A quick update and some comments:
Thanks to the ones that actually tries to help! And yes, I do know I am kinda whining, because the situation has frustrated me after I came back. I was expecting better isk in null sec after signature were implemented, in other words far better then normal belt rats. If I knew before hand it would this slow in null sec, I had stayed in highsec/low sec longer, earning more isk before joining a null sec corp.

My problem has been, and still is that I do not have a good enough ship in corp space to be able to do the good/highest combat havens/highest tiers signatures, and neither the ones close to it (sanctuaries, Mordus etc). Either I can plain not do them, because my ship take too much damage, or some takes just too long time to kill, resulting in isk pr hours is really bad and use a fortune on missiles, and way too long time.

I know what ships I need to do them well, but I am not there yet. This is what has been my problem. Even in good corps, they do not normally give away ships worth 100+ mills to 'returning noobs', when local in almost all systems do have neutrals (or directly hostiles) 24/7, which is the case of our alliance.

I have over the weekend done hours of data and relic sites, sadly I hardly find anything worth the time, CCP should upgrade the value of these, isk wise its a waste of time (even if you find copies of blueprints). And the marked for the items looted is really low. Data/relics sites should give original blueprints, or copies with many runs, like its now its not worth it time/isk wise, normal belt rats are worth more, sadly.

What I do miss answers to in this thread, since kinda the thread has been going down just one road, is this;
If I roll a create a second account, going back to high sec to fly two accounts while I train the new one up, which ships do you suggest I duo with?

Should the main account fly tanks/dps, while the new one run 'logistics'/low dps? Would the main be able to take agro from all rats? I have no idea how to best play 2 accounts in Eve (but I have in other MMOs), so I am looking for advice. I would most likely mostly do belt and signatures to get expeditions/escalations to do them for higher isk and faction loot. Or is something else better to do isk wise? I would focus on doing stuff in high sec/low sec, while training. The second one will also most likelly be Caldari, but I can of course train into any ship. Only reason is I roll both Caldari, is if I decide to try out Faction Warfare, I guess race matters? I have no idea on how FW works, and if its worth it.

One thing that sounds interesting, but not sure worth it due to danger, is going PvEing in wormholes with 2 ships/accounts. But then I need both enough cargo hold and survivaility to rat and make it back out, preferable not far into low/null sec. I sounds fun in a game perspective, but I am not sure its viable/realistic gamewise and actually worth the risk...

Would be nice if someone gave me some advice on how/what to play/fly if I make a second account!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2016-01-25 17:02:26 UTC
ISK doubling services are the fastest way to get more ISK.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-01-25 17:07:00 UTC
Ninja'ing gas sites is good early on. PI is good with ANYTHING since its passive. And exploration generally is pretty good, little bit of luck required there though.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Keno Skir
#48 - 2016-01-25 17:28:56 UTC
Your first account is broke. How is making a second account going to help in any way?

You're getting some blunt answers because you're strategically ignoring the obvious truth here. You use the ship you have now to make whatever isk you can, and buy a better ship or improve the fit with that isk. Repeat until eventually you're doing what you want to be doing in the ship you want to do it in.

Other people in nulsec get along just fine and make loads of ISK even without blingy ships. It would seem obvious then that it's an issue with your plan or your willingness to work for things that is at fault here. Starting a second account means you're going to have 2 broke characters instead of 1.

I keep a cruiser in lowsec for occasional ratting, not even nulsec. Since you started this thread i could have made many hundreds of millions with it just by belt ratting and running little anoms. I'm wondering why you haven't done the same?

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Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#49 - 2016-01-25 19:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Chasida
Well I do not have ship in null sec that can earn me 'hundreds of millions in a few days', its not good enough. My current ship is capable of about 6 mill an hour or so.

I have played daily, many of those hours I have been scanning and doing data/relic sites, that sadly have not given me much value. I am now back to more normal ratting, but its slow...

Oh and btw: second account = 1 plex = 1.2 bill + I will be able to 'solo' more stuff (high/low sec)...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#50 - 2016-01-25 19:28:19 UTC
[Vexor Navy Issue, Blood VNI - Shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Ogre I x5

I don't know why this is so hard to figure out.
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#51 - 2016-01-25 19:37:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
[Vexor Navy Issue, Blood VNI - Shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Ogre I x5

I don't know why this is so hard to figure out.


Do not have the ISK...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#52 - 2016-01-25 19:47:51 UTC
Chasida wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[Vexor Navy Issue, Blood VNI - Shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Ogre I x5

I don't know why this is so hard to figure out.


Do not have the ISK...


So you aren't in a corp? In an alliance that is supposed to be about new-ish players? When jumping in to null you either do so after you have established some way to earn income, OR you join a null sec group that gives you a hand up in these situations (Goons were famous for this).

Did you talke to your corp and/or people in your alliance chat before coming here?
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#53 - 2016-01-25 19:57:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Chasida wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[Vexor Navy Issue, Blood VNI - Shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Ogre I x5

I don't know why this is so hard to figure out.


Do not have the ISK...


So you aren't in a corp? In an alliance that is supposed to be about new-ish players? When jumping in to null you either do so after you have established some way to earn income, OR you join a null sec group that gives you a hand up in these situations (Goons were famous for this).

Did you talke to your corp and/or people in your alliance chat before coming here?


I am a returning player. I went down here and joined a corp too soon. I have already been given stuff, but not good enough to do highest belts/signatures, so I am earning isk very slowly. Plus I was stupid right after getting here, used too much isk on skill books, instead of a better ship. I am a returning noob, I have not played for years...
Keno Skir
#54 - 2016-01-25 20:06:51 UTC
Chasida wrote:
Well I do not have ship in null sec that can earn me 'hundreds of millions in a few days', its not good enough. My current ship is capable of about 6 mill an hour or so.

I have played daily, many of those hours I have been scanning and doing data/relic sites, that sadly have not given me much value. I am now back to more normal ratting, but its slow...

Oh and btw: second account = 1 plex = 1.2 bill + I will be able to 'solo' more stuff (high/low sec)...


Dunno what more to say mate. You could use that plex to BUY YOURSELF THE F*%&ING SHIP YOU'VE BEEN GOING ON ABOUT :/

Oh and "btw" : Your 2nd account isn't doing smegg-all until you train it to be fairly good at something helpful which takes months. In this time you could already have solved your issue more than once by pulling your finger out and getting on with it.

Hate to say the T word but is anyone else getting under-bridge vibes here?

Black Lanterns Blog <- Read my ramblings -.-

250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <---
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#55 - 2016-01-25 20:34:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Chasida
Take a look at my first post. I was asking for advice on how to make isk in this game, because it was going SLOW for me. Far slower then I expected after all those patches after I left years back. I were honestly wondering what to do to make better isk. When I came down to null sec I was expecting far better rewards from ratting.

I said one option for me was to go back to high sec and make a second account, also asked twice which would be the best ships for me to duo with. But this is kinda my last resort, if I am not able to make more isk down in null sec.

I also wrote earlier today, the thread started heading down just one road very early on, by people that do not understand I cannot make 100 mill a day ratting in my current ship. I have used many hours doing data and relic sites, just to find out its not really worth it. And people just keep telling me over and over how stupid I am for not already having 100s of millions of isk, after I have tried to tell several times I do not have yet the isk to be in a ship able to do so.

I wouldnt be here in the first place makeing this post in the if I were able to farm Havens for '100s of millions isk a week'! Yes I know now (only the last few days, after trying several things) that to be able to make good isk in null sec I need to be able to do the highest combat sites (sadly nothing else is really worth it), but I have the last few days not been able to make isk enough to get me a good enough ship. Yes I have been given fittings that can do the job, but lack the isk, which I am trying to get by doing lower sites/belts...

And sorry if I came across as a troll, was never my intention...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#56 - 2016-01-25 20:43:18 UTC
Chasida wrote:


I am a returning player. I went down here and joined a corp too soon. I have already been given stuff, but not good enough to do highest belts/signatures, so I am earning isk very slowly. Plus I was stupid right after getting here, used too much isk on skill books, instead of a better ship. I am a returning noob, I have not played for years...


The 1st problem is you 'can't do' attitude. If you don't believe you can do anything, you can't, and we can't help you.

The ship i posted costs less than 100 million isk and can do Forsaken Hubs with ease. People are ratting in your space, to afford that ship buy this one:

[Catalyst, Salvager]
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I

1MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger I

Capacitor Power Relay I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Co-Processor I

Small Salvage Tackle I
Small Salvage Tackle I
Small Salvage Tackle I

Or something similar, any T1 destroyer works. Fleet up with someone doing anomalies that doesn't salvage. Salvage the sites they finish. In a couple days you'll have the isk for a better ratting ship.
Jeet Kundo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2016-01-26 00:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeet Kundo
I don't have incredible scanning skills, I've just recently returned myself. Just moving around in a low tier heron, I recently got a guristas tower BPC that, if I remember right, runs several million isk by itself; if you get it to Jita of course. Null sec and C1-C3 (if you can't take on sleeper sites in C4 and C5) wormholes have data and relic sites that can yield pretty consistent isk. If you're sticking to smaller ships, have some form of reimbursement, or not, the income from exploration is enough to fund those ventures so long as you don't believe that every ship you fly is as expendable as a tissue during a lonely night.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#58 - 2016-01-26 02:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Chasida wrote:
I am curious, since I need to make isk (returning player). I currently live in null sec alliance btw.

What is worth doing? Ice mining? Gas mining? PvP (not likely)? Missions (not likely, and will take weeks to get to high lvl missions)? Wormholing (does not look like it)? DED/cosmic sites (hasnt the market collapsed?)? Incursions? Scamming the trade market?

Sadly, listening to some players, the last one, scamming (and buying selling clearly wrongly priced items) may be the only way to make some fast isk in this game, but this is not my thing, neither in RL nor in a game.

The only other thing I know so far that may be a good income is incursions, but where I live (null sec), this is dangerous and need to team up more or less (or use a absurd expensive ship, which I do NOT have, nor can buy, nor will risk).

I am currently considering starting up a new account on my second computer (can play 2 at once), and was considering duoing WH/nullsec sites/incursions, but I am not sure its worth it after reading a lot of posts. Maybe I should just move back to high sec and hunt for incursions with 2 accounts?

I am honestly and sincerely in need of advice people, how can I make a good income of ISK in this game in its current state a la 2016?And what I mean by that is in the 100s of millions pr week, anything lower then easily 100-200 mills a week is waste of time, you can get that by one scam/lucky buy on the market.

I am a player that need to see advancement in the MMOs I play, or I just get frustrated and leave. So please help me out here; what should I put my time into doing to earn ISK!? And if its like gass mining or DED hunting, Incursions etc, please give me some good advice on ships to use (remember I can play 2 accounts/computers). I have read A LOT of posts about which ships to use, and I am going in circles! The main/current account is Caldari, have not made a second account yet.

Obi-wan Kenobi, I am in need of help...please help...


I'm getting lazy these days and don't even bother to salvage my missions anymore. If you're ever in Hi-Sec near Apanake, look me up and I'll let you salvage/loot my missions. You'll make 30-40 mill isk an hour on average doing just that.

You'll need to be able to use T2 salvagers and a Noctis though because I clear missions very quickly.
Orlacc
#59 - 2016-01-26 02:42:38 UTC
Somebody just give him some isk. That's what he is here for......

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2016-01-26 02:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Why do you keep going on about the "best sites"? You don't need to run the "best sites" right away. Do crappy sites. Salvage, Mine, Belt Rat. Even at 6M/h (and that's really bad - I suppose you could pull that off mining in a Venture. With the good advice you got here, you can make multiple times that) it takes about a week or two to finance a VNI. If you do not have the patience for that, this may not be the game for you.

And with a VNI, you can pull 50-ish million per hour.

But then again, you say you have less than 10M ISK, and you can make about 6M/h. That means, you didn't even manage 2 hours before making this thread. There's something to think about.