Warfare & Tactics

Now that we have BC gankers hitting everything undocking from Jita CNAP with >150M in cargo, I am wondering what my options are. Currently I am getting out ok due to having a pretty heavy anti-Uedama tank, but in all honesty I would like to not go through the stress of watching my shields disappear every time I undock and having to repair armor sometimes.

Will an insta undock work or no?

The typical setup for the attacker is a BC with 3 sensor booster IIs and scripts.

Dont insta undock in jita. You will be probed and killed off station before you can warp.

The choice is yours.

Check our respective losses on zkill then make your own mind up.


Edit : I should stipulate , the bookmarks (yes plural) need to be made correctly, otherwise insta blapping can still happen

you know if you have the station the bm is for as your desto and activate your auto pilot in warp to the bookmark you dock with minimal time spent lockable

Ummm, you cannot cloak with the station within 2,000m ... not to mention the dozens of ships milling around the undock zone. I guess this is more a 'hypothetical' reply than anything based on the actualities of undocking from *that* accursed station.

I dock and undock regularly from that particular Jita station. To help with this I routinely use instawarp undock bookmarks, some many thousands of km from the station … so they are offgrid even with the recent grid changes. I also use instadock zerospot bookmarks when I am inbound to that station.

Instawarp undock bookmarks *do not* guarantee actual instant warps! Please do not let anyone convince you otherwise. You always have a period of vulnerability when undocking and warping … in some cases that period is so fleetingly brief that you’re quite safe, but in other cases it can feel like ‘forever’ despite having the best undock instawarp bookmark that money can buy.
When a ship undocks it moves away from the station in a randomly selected direction that is within a predefined cone … probably a 5 degree* cone about the undock centreline. If your bookmark is perfectly along the centreline most undocking ships are still going to have to adjust somewhat to attain their undock warp … and larger less-manoeuvrable ships will take longer to make that small adjustment. So an undocking freighter can still take quite a while to achieve an ‘instant’ undock warp, while a nicely setup covops frigate or interceptor can be very quick. You can maintain your undocking invulnerability long enough to achieve warp speed (that 75% on the dial) but you will almost always also have a small period of vulnerability as you adjust alignment to your warpline.

Here’s how I manage this issue:
1. None of my characters dock in Jita while subject to wardecs.
2. I use undock-instawarp bookmarks a long-way from station, reliably offgrid, and as close to the undock centreline as I could manage.
3. I use instadock zerospot bookmarks … applying similar positioning logic to a station cynospot (albeit with a 2.5km buffer rather than 5km) … when I am arriving at that station.
4. For high value loads I split them and move them to another Jita station, for reconsolidation, before commencing their trip to wherever. I use a freighter for this, because of the reduced undock-gank likelihood, even if I plan to actually move the load in a blockade runner, ceptor, or covop frigate. The freighter warps to my undock insta and then to a instadock zerospot bookmark at the chosen other station, rinses and repeats.
5. For smaller not-particularly-valuable loads I use a blockade runner, ceptor, or covop frigate … depending … and let the ship run as far as I can within undock invulnerability before warping to my bookmark. Waiting makes no difference to how long my align-warp will take but, to my way of thinking, increases the likelihood of wannabe gankers moving their attention on to others who undock after me. I hit my cloak as soon as I have attained warp, although it’s pretty obvious to anyone watching that I’m heading to an undock instawarp location.
6. For high-volume low-value loads I just use a freighter, as above except for the cloaking part.

I have been shot by a loki while undocking thus in a prowler, but thankfully got into warp with some structure remaining. I’ve never been shot thus while flying a ‘ceptor or covops frigate, or freighter for that matter … although I have no doubt I have been scanned many times.
Another thing I do is to use a no-ships ‘GTFO’ overview setting whenever I undock from that station. That setting shows all brackets on the mainscreen but no ships in the overview window, and significantly speeds up my ability to be able to do anything while undocking in Jita. Remember you can work with your overview while docked, by typing the relevant slash-command in any chat window: “/open overview settings” (without the quote marks).

At least all of that is how I understand things to work ... and taking those measures seemed to have worked pretty well for me over the years.

Good luck docking and undocking safely from *that* station.


* I have never actually measured this variation and sometimes it seems closer to 10 degrees.

Some good tips from Substantia above. Perosnally I would go for :

1. Pay someone else to do it, even if it is just an intra-station move in Jita, a couple of mill. reward will be snapped up.

2. Meta time. Log your character in before prime time on a Sunday. Load up goods in any old ship. Keep fingers crossed Jita will be traffic controlled and you get a free teleport to next-door. Then contract off / reship etc as necessary.

GL

Personally I prefer to pay someone else to move my expensive stuff out of Jita to Sobaseki or wherever.

Voetius makes a couple of very good additional points.

Pay somebody.

Yes, I agree completely, and I am often the sort of person you often end up paying. If you study the high-end hauling corps you will see that they do many of the things I have mentioned. They also have other practices to further enhance the safety of their work.

If you do not have the resources (ship types etc) and the game experience then paying a professional hauler (e.g. the 'frog' collective of corps) to move your valuables is well worth looking at.

Timing.

In many respects it's a PITA, but my remote-antipodean time zone does help me to fairly easily move high value loads and be subject to less scrutiny and less likelihood of gankers actually being able to form a decent fleet comp. I play on that further, for example, when I am moving very valuable loads thru ganking trouble-spots. I often split the load in a station just before the problem system(s) and make the move, or part of it, during the several minutes before and immediately after DT.