Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Warning: This post is long and in depth. It also contains nostalgia and rants.

I've been away from EvE for a while now. The last time I played was when N3 was still a thing, people remembered who Montolio was, and Grath soundclouds were popular. So when I logged into eve to find it would take me roughly 12 days to move my archon from Delve to Etherium Reach, I was a bit puzzled. What exactly was this Jump Fatigue? I had heard it would be implemented but I didn't think it was going to destroy capital ship movement.

I fire sold my Archon. Moved to Etherium Reach and bought a chimera. I jumped it a couple of systems over from it's pickup station so I could log in and rat when I could. (I had taken a Jump Bridge to that system, then after refitting, jumped it back to the system I was in). Then I got pinged to help a friend move a hauler around to fuel some pos's. Sure, I'm up for that. Oh, we gotta go through a jump bridge in the route. Oh, I can't use a jump bridge for another hour and nineteen minutes. Sorry, if rats blow you up, petition ccp.

Not only have you destroyed movement of capitals but you've also drastically hindered subcapitals as well. That along with a gang of 5 being able to troll a group of 30 and prevent them from obtaining SoV has really hurt the SoV game.

I have no input on Fozzie Sov yet. I havn't thought about it too much. I have thought about Jump Fatigue quite a bit and believe there is a fix that will prevent this so-called "Power Projection" that you wanted to dimish in the first place.

I will start out by saying this. Why would a clone get Jump Fatigue when jumping a ship? The Fatigue should be placed on the ship itself, not the clone. The Jump Drives the ship has to use are not something that can be fixed in mere minutes by beating on it like a Millineum Falcon. The Fatigue should be applied to the ship.

So what would putting Jump Fatigue on the ship itself do? Well, first, you're still not going to be able to jump your capital fleet from Point A to Point F all in one go. The chances of your entire 50 man carrier/dread fleet having pickup caps along the way would be rare if not a logistical nightmare. So you still prevent large capital fleets from moving around freely.

What else does it do? Well, it frees up pilots to move around their section of space freely without having the jumping of a carrier interfere with their jump bridges with their subcapitals. (We'll get into jump bridges in a minute).

It also forces alliances who plan on invading space to prepare for that war by moving their capitals and then waiting. This will give the Defending forces time to move their capitals in place for a defense if needbe. In other words. You've created a scenerio where it's a "planned" B-R. (A battle that saw a subscription increase)

And the biggest one. It prevents any characters locked into a capital ship "Super Carrier / Titans" from moving their supercaps around all willy nilly. They are still subject to the current fatigue mechanics.

Let's talk about jump bridges. When armies of the past moved from Point A to Point B, they were Less fatigued when they traveled by road. They were faster. How an army moved was part of it's strategy. Jump Fatigue has made jump bridges all but useless. What you need to do is bring Jump Bridges back in their original mechanics. Fuel them. Larger ships take more fuel but no jump fatigue is applied. Or, maybe, if a jump bridge runs out of fuel, it still operates but it does so by using the ships systems to complete the circuit applying jump fatigue to that subcapital ship. (Capitals cannot use jump bridges).

Jump bridges are a Logistics strategy within the world of EvE online. They take upkeep and careful planning. They should be utilized. It also gives an opposing force a strategic target. Cripple the road from point A to point D and you effectively slow the Defenders or the Attackers.

Here's the TLDR version:

Apply Jump Fatigue to individual ships, not clones.
Jump Bridges should be fueled and apply no jump fatigue. (No Capitals can use Jump Bridge Networks)
Jump Bridges can apply jump fatigue if unfueled, using part of the ships systems to complete a jump.

This is the new game.

Remember to venerate The Absolute Madman who is no longer among us.

Maybe I'm just bitter and I'm deffinately late to the party.

But I can't agree that this was intended. It's having horrible affects across the board. I mean, eve is an extremely large place. And jump fatigue is there to hinder you moving around it?

I still thing fatigue should be placed on the ships and not the capsuleers. Let the capsuleers move freely through new eden. Keep the ships from doing so.

* Jump into your system *

Let em tell you in local why putting the fatigue on the ship does not work.

* Repackage ship *

You see, the problem with putting it on ship is,

* Un-pack ship *

the way they are implemented

* Apply fit to ship *

in the game. They are

* Undock *

Really just a container with some

* Jump out of system *

attributes...

* look at local list *

Oh well...

It's like he doesn't understand why this change was made

My understanding of jump fatigue is it was meant to force fleets to be placed strategically for both offense and defense. Judging by the comments here, I'd say it's working as intended.

You should never leave a loophole open and assume it won't be used. Eve players don't work like that. We stalk capitals for months just to get that one kill. We pour way to much money into ships and modules for marginal gains of strength. You give us too much rope, we'll go on a lynching spree until CCP shows up and stops us.