Missions & Complexes

Having a shield buffer with two hardeners, and then an armor repper, gives you a worse tank than one shield booster and one shield hardener, cos golem also gets an extra bonus to shield boosting. And you're losing dps.

Everyone has said it works. Fine for you. But you called it ultimate, when it's actually worse than a cookie cutter golem.

You still don't see it. You wrote the word "ultimate". You should have written "quirky and sub-par but works so there!".

Thats the whole point! your coping with a dps loss. Look we get it it this is fun for you to play sub optimally just like in wow its fun for a hunter to melee mobs. As long as they just level by themselves and don't take that **** into group finder and inflict it on everyonelse then theres no harm to it let them have fun being special.

Thing is your here making posts on the forums about your "axe hunter" and how it works for you. God forbid a newbie reads your post and thinks its a good idea, takes in on board and expands on the idea in his own ****fit.

This btw is why freedom of speech is so important: it allows people to say in public their idiotic ideas so the rest of us can point out the flaws, hopefully educating the speaker AND any third party listener why banning all muslims dual tanking a golem is a bad idea. Freedom of speech is really important and I welcome the op for starting this thread so we could all point out what a REALLY bad idea it actually is to fit a golem this way.

Well, it's +25%. If you're running Ascendancy implants it does add up. Otherwise, yeah - it might not make much of a difference.

Oh, don't drop the hyperspatial for a anti-kinetic rig. Get an anti-explosive rig. That way you can somewhat change out for mission damage type.

It doesn't matter what other people are using. You've lost that potential dps from yourself with your fit.

Ballistic controls affect RoF as well as alpha, so your wasting isk/hr potential either way.

Changing to a shield tank improves how well your ship would tank and for how long it would tank...AND improves the dps application.

Don't concentrate on one tree in the forest of reasons your fit is bad.


If you're really not bothered about improving it's dps application then just put a DC2 in the low. A BCU or missile guidance comp probably makes the most sense if you're optimising mission running TIME but adding some EHP to your 1b gank magnet of a hull probably isn't a bad idea depending on how much you care about using local intel.

Other options might be a signal amplifier to max out all 12 target locks along with slightly improved lock times or a hyperspatial accelerator for a few less thumb twiddles whilst warping. Alternatively maybe you'll decide the T2 invuln + booster is too much tank, in which case you can try flying with just the booster and a DC2 to bump the resists up a touch - thus freeing up a midslot instead for another target painter, missile guidance comp, web or second prop mod...

There's a ton of options that all make better use of the slot that you're currently wasting.


e: I'll summarise that basic shield tank for you again:

Gist-X Large Booster
T2 invuln and/or DC2

And a comparison of the ehp/s of each tank:

omni: 1210 - 1078 - 847 - 530
angel: 1391 - 1240 - 974 - 433
blood: 1028 - 917 - 720 - 678
gurista: 1477 - 1317 - 1034 - 530
sansha: 952 - 849 - 667 - 675
serp: 1389 - 1238 - 972 - 648

shield w/ T2 invuln & DC2 - shield w/ T2 invuln - shield w/ DC2 - armour

As pointed out in my previous post, a fourth BCU is just one option and also only one facet of the improvement. You're improving the tank, your improving the cap stability and you're improving the DPS (if you use the spare slot for a BCU instead of one of the other options I mentioned).

Think of it in reverse, why would you go from a shield tank fit to an armour fit that tanks less, deals less DPS and has less cap stability?

There's no need to even overheat the shield booster, it reps 2-3 times as much as your armour repper without overheating it because of the better resist profile provided by the adaptive invuln AND the fact that the golem has a 37.5% bonus to shield boosters, see post #54.

You're the one who mentioned the fantastic 5m48s of capacitor with your armour repper running in the OP - so in return I'm mentioning the 9m16s of capacitor with the shield booster running (which, did I mention, is repping far more EHP for every one of those seconds as well?). Feel free to remove your comments about how 5m of cap is somehow good in your OP and I'll stop banging on about it here.

And yes a ballistic control is still just ONE option for that slot your WASTING in your fit. As also stated in post #54 there's a lot of alternative options that provide different perks to the fit - In fact, almost any mid or lowslot can provide increased benefit to the shield fit in a way that isn't possible in your fit from OP because you're wasting slots by dual tanking inefficiently. Even a cap power relay provides more cap (nearly 25mins stability!!! /troll)


Anyways, very bored of this thread now and you're obviously sticking your head in the sand in spite of claiming to be open to criticism and willfully ignoring simple black and white facts about why the shield fit is better than the one you've linked. I'm gonna stop responding and let this thread die the forum death it deserves.

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My point was that you can overheat the armor repairer indefinately without taking considerable heat damage (the same is not true for shield boosters). I never stated that an armor-tanked Golem was superior to a shield-boosted Golem or provided more reps.

Yes, I get it. You hate the very idea of armor tanking a Golem...