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To earn ISK, what is worth doing in this game?..

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Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#1 - 2016-01-22 07:26:57 UTC
I am curious, since I need to make isk (returning player). I currently live in null sec alliance btw.

What is worth doing? Ice mining? Gas mining? PvP (not likely)? Missions (not likely, and will take weeks to get to high lvl missions)? Wormholing (does not look like it)? DED/cosmic sites (hasnt the market collapsed?)? Incursions? Scamming the trade market?

Sadly, listening to some players, the last one, scamming (and buying selling clearly wrongly priced items) may be the only way to make some fast isk in this game, but this is not my thing, neither in RL nor in a game.

The only other thing I know so far that may be a good income is incursions, but where I live (null sec), this is dangerous and need to team up more or less (or use a absurd expensive ship, which I do NOT have, nor can buy, nor will risk).

I am currently considering starting up a new account on my second computer (can play 2 at once), and was considering duoing WH/nullsec sites/incursions, but I am not sure its worth it after reading a lot of posts. Maybe I should just move back to high sec and hunt for incursions with 2 accounts?

I am honestly and sincerely in need of advice people, how can I make a good income of ISK in this game in its current state a la 2016?And what I mean by that is in the 100s of millions pr week, anything lower then easily 100-200 mills a week is waste of time, you can get that by one scam/lucky buy on the market.

I am a player that need to see advancement in the MMOs I play, or I just get frustrated and leave. So please help me out here; what should I put my time into doing to earn ISK!? And if its like gass mining or DED hunting, Incursions etc, please give me some good advice on ships to use (remember I can play 2 accounts/computers). I have read A LOT of posts about which ships to use, and I am going in circles! The main/current account is Caldari, have not made a second account yet.

Obi-wan Kenobi, I am in need of help...please help...
Malaugrym
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-01-22 07:30:56 UTC
Log in two afktars. Warp to a Haven. Drop drones. Orbit stargate. Play other games. Repeat.
Cecil Montague
PCG Enterprises
#3 - 2016-01-22 07:37:02 UTC
Chasida wrote:

I am a player that need to see advancement in the MMOs I play, or I just get frustrated and leave.


While Eve has advanced significantly over the last decade and a bit its overall character hasn't changed; it is not a game of instant gratification.

That said a decent L4 running setup can net you around 100m+ per evening so 200m per week shouldn't be an issue.

Otherwise...

1) Buy PLEX
2) Sell PLEX in Jita
3) ???
4) Profit

"There is no such thing as an effective segment of Totality" - Bruce Lee: The only man with a Chuck Norris killmail.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#4 - 2016-01-22 07:42:17 UTC
If you have the skills and are willing to invest the time you can make a good amount from missions 200mill/250mill per hour however you'd probably be better off running anoms for bounties, especially if you have a 2nd account to help dps with if you need isk right now. Look at a Rattlesnake, Ishtar, (Navy)Typhoon, Machariel, Domi for anom running.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#5 - 2016-01-22 07:43:16 UTC
Everything! Everything is worth doing. You just have to know how to do that. There is a lot of advices on Youtube and here in newcomers part of forum. Just sit thru it all. Find what do you like to do, and just play the game. And dont be afraid to try new things.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#6 - 2016-01-22 07:50:29 UTC
Everything is worth doing in eve, admittedly for a given value of 'worth'

If your goal is to maked a wallet that has more zeros in it than the american "defence' budget, then wormhole escalations with a group of like minded and very twitchy scanner savvy friends would be my preferred option.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#7 - 2016-01-22 09:01:55 UTC
As you are a returning player you should know what you enjoy and as a member of a null alliance you should have plenty space to do it in.

So, if you are the ratting type, go ratting in your sov. If you are the industrial type, go producing in your stations. If you are the mining type, go mining in your sov. If you are the trading type, by all means go and trade. If you want instant isk gratification, go buy one or more PLEX'.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2016-01-22 09:06:30 UTC
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#9 - 2016-01-22 09:30:23 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:


What he is doing is salvaging PvP ships that just happen to be close to the station, not many of those situations around. This is like a 1 in a 1 000 000 situation, borderline a corp recruit video. What he is doing is not realistic at all, to make this work you need to be in a corp / alliance that regulary have a station camped (and not losing it), you need to be camped in that station, and there cannot be people doing the same. All in all this is not even remotely realistic scenario! For him to even make this videos are pointless, as I wrote earlier looks to be made as a join corp scam, absurdly unrealistic way of income.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-01-22 09:46:39 UTC
That's not a can-do attitude, I don't see fortunes in your future with that kind of frowny-face pessimism and poo-poo'ing of ideas.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#11 - 2016-01-22 09:56:20 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
That's not a can-do attitude, I don't see fortunes in your future with that kind of frowny-face pessimism and poo-poo'ing of ideas.


Please wake up! What he is doing is not remotely realistic way of making ISK! Hardly ever happen. This is like waiting on winning in Lotto!
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#12 - 2016-01-22 10:03:15 UTC
Cecil Montague wrote:
Chasida wrote:

I am a player that need to see advancement in the MMOs I play, or I just get frustrated and leave.


While Eve has advanced significantly over the last decade and a bit its overall character hasn't changed; it is not a game of instant gratification.

That said a decent L4 running setup can net you around 100m+ per evening so 200m per week shouldn't be an issue.

Otherwise...

1) Buy PLEX
2) Sell PLEX in Jita
3) ???
4) Profit


This is absolutely true. What do you need ISK for? PvP? Try factional warfare. ISK and combat in one bottle. PLEX, so you can play for free? Get a job.

This is a game, it is supposed to be fun. If you do something only for ISK and no fun , it is wrong, IMHO. If you do PvE because it is fun for you (like L4 missions for me) - it can be very good source of ISK, that can be spend in PvP later on. Thing is, that if you stick with just one kind of ISK making activity, you get bored. I do L4 security missions, wormhole diving, exploration, manufacture even mining, when I feel I want something relaxing and chat friendly. In null you can simply blap rats in belts and still get tons of ISK from it.
Cannibal Zuza
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-01-22 10:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Zuza
The golden age for awokers draws nigh. Soon Eve would become a awokers paradise once CCP releases SP skill extractors/injections into this fabulous game. Soon you'd be able to train a awokering toon in just 1 week, biomass, rinse and repeat till your hearts desire. Just one awoxer can net you 30-60 bill in 6 months easy. The trick is to not rush it and to plant 6-8 thorns into the big alliances like Goons who have far too many members for their own good. Once you sneak in the Goons, try to discover where all the afk ratters go and give them a warm greeting with your other ganking alt. Killing afk Ishtars and Rattlesnakes can net you 3-4 bill a week easy per toon.
Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2016-01-22 10:06:53 UTC
Malaugrym wrote:
Log in two afktars. Warp to a Haven. Drop drones. Orbit stargate. Play other games. Repeat.


The most enjoyable thing regarding this is the afk pvp kills that you get with it. I went to walk my dog once and when i came back I had 3 interceptor kills.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-01-22 10:08:16 UTC
Wake up sheeple, he didn't work for that isk, he didn't build that, he stumbled across it by dumb luck and is now trying to keep us poor folks down. He didn't put any hard work or research into his novel money generating scheme, he just stumbled across such a place by dumb luck (after trying to find such a place deliberately, total coincidence though). Somebody needs to take that isk he unfairly earnt and redistribute it, for the benefit of everybody.

Vote for me and I promise once this crisis has abated, I will lay down the powers you have given me!

Tisi 2016

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#16 - 2016-01-22 10:26:57 UTC
Hi.

I'm a relatively new player nearing 2 months.

What I'm doing , in high sec, lands me nearly a 50 to 100mil per day, depending on time spent and luck.
I think in this game if you work hard enough you'll be rewarded just fine.

I tend to rotate my activities so as not to get bored.

Run missions.. level 3 and 4 will do fine. Used to do around 7 or more lvl3 at one go but now I do level 4 missions, which take slightly longer in my Rattlesnake but gives much more. So 3 or 4 missions. Bookmark all wreckages and go back to salvage and loot. An average lvl 4 gives you 4mil in bounties and around 8 Mil in loot. So let's say you get 10mil (after deducting ammo expenses drone loss etc...prudently speaking) per lvl 4.. you get 30mil with 3 x runs.

Then I'll take a short break and mine in a barge.. procurer one haul gives 2+Mil. Gives you time to chat or do whatever semi afk. I normally help out in rookie chat when I do this. 2 runs give you nearly 5 Mil. 45mins later.

After which you can do exploration. Wormholes give more but luck is the variable factor here. By exploration I mean relic and data sites. After an hour or so.. another 20mil .. again prudently say you chance upon any good stuff like BPs.

Finally comes ratting.. running cosmic anomalies and hoping for escalations. Example, a centii A type remote armor repairer gives you 40++mil...and they drop fairly often if u get a commander rat.

So yeah.. in short. Do everything. Love that activity.. do it more.

Good luck and fly safe.

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.

Ohanka
#17 - 2016-01-22 11:02:43 UTC

Market scams.

North Korea is Best Korea

Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-01-22 12:25:03 UTC
Seriously OP there's not a whole lot of difference between the top end income sources so pick whatever you feel like. Incursions, faction warfare, mission blitzing, null anoms, and wormhole sites, the income is much the same for each. Then there's the fact that isk is nearly worthless in the first place, I mean isk does not buy you victory not even close so what's the point in stockpiling it?

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-01-22 12:33:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Quoting my own post from another thread:

Neuntausend wrote:
You can go the "normal" MMOG route and grind.
- If you mine Highsec asteroids, you can make maybe 20-ish million isk per hour spent.
- If you run Level 4 Missions or Nullsec Anomalies, you can get a steady 100-ish million ISK per hour doing that.
- If you find a nice wormhole corp, you can make maybe 500-ish Million ISK per hour running sites with your corpmates.
- ...

However - none of that you will be able to do efficiently as a newbie, so don't try that right away. It will just leave you bored and/or discouraged.

You can also go the not quite as "normal" route as far as MMOGs go, and play the economy.
- Trading: Set up low buy orders and high sell orders
- Speculation: Anticipate changes in supply and demand, and stock up accordingly, to sell at a high profit later
- Manipulation: Strategically Buy and Sell huge amounts of certain goods to actively manipulate the price of the wares you are trading.

The ISK/h ratio on those has no limit. The more you invest, the more profit you make, the more you can invest. However, you will need a certain knack for business, and a good amount of game-knowledge. It's not a good idea to blindly trade without the faintest idea of what it is you are trading.

Or you can go the one route that makes Eve different from so many other games and be a cheating, thieving, lying, scamming bastard. People are still falling for the good old ISK doubling scam, but almost anything goes. People have in the past acted as escrow agents for titan sales, and then kept both the titan and the money. People have set up financial services, just to run away with all the money after a while. People have run and are still running gambling services. The possibilities are endless and limited only by your imagination. I have seen newbies pull off scams within their first few days.

Now - those are only examples. There are near unlimited ways to make ISK in this game, but those should give you an idea how much money you can make doing what. Which one of those are "worth doing" strongly depends on what you consider to be "worth doing". All of those are worth doing to someone, or nobody would be doing them.

It may look like mining-mncome in Highsec is pretty crappy, for example. But it does require almost no attention and can be done semi-afk with 10 accounts at a time, 10 hours a day. It may look like C5/C6 wormhole income is pretty good, but it requires you to live in a wormhole, which certainly isn't to everybodys taste, and you can only do the sites in your own wormhole once they spawn. The rest of the time, you'll have to stick to neighbouring systems, which can be risky.

There is no one right way to make money in Eve. All of them have their merits. It's down to you to try them out and decide what's for you and what's not.
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#20 - 2016-01-22 12:43:11 UTC
Just to clearify; my toon is BROKE! I need to make ISK to function! Got less then 10 mill right now!

I am not asking on advice on how to stockpile ISK like that is the point of the game. I live in null space, and I do not have ISK! Belt ratting is SLOW! Doing cosmic sigs give little ISK, if you arent very lucky and get a rare blueprint etc. Most of the stuff I find in belts or sites arent even wanted in the market in nullsec. In home systems there are neutrals in local 24/7. This is what frustrates me! It looks like no matter what I do, I use more ISK then I earn...

I got the impression that doing data/relic sites gave good ISK, far more then belt ratting, but so far I do not see much of that phat ISK. The only thing I know so far that does give good ISK is escalations, which I cannot run due to a ship fitted for a 10/10 cost 1+ billion ISK, and are very deadly in null sec.

I have been playing with the idea of going neutral, and going back to high sec, trying to find a remote/little unused part of high sec/low sec/null sec (if such a thing even exist), where I can do site/escalations, while I at the same time duo with an alt and I skill him up...

Simply put; I do not know what to do to earn ISK, why I made the post...
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