Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nice to see more pll joining the debate,

had a busy nigth at work, so had a little caching up to recap!

im a stupid dudu carebear, who does know anything, don't unstand eve, needs to lean to play,
and the only thing i want is to sit in my mining barge and mine!
And you are going to wardec me, and kill me and any structure i have in space, to show me the errors of my way!
if i missed anything, plz tell me

I explain again, the purpose of this post is not to prevent all wardec, nor to create a system where wars are imposible,
i am trying to se if there is possible system, where by corps at trying form ar given time reach size and maturity which have chance to defend them self!
in short a system where BOTH the defender and attacker, large and small have a chance to figth in some meaning full way!

I postet som sugestions how migth be acivede, note the word sugestions, sure they may not be salution that will achive that,
i am just throwing idears out there to get some feedback.
Id had hoped that pvp side migth join in whit few ideas of their own?

So by your reconing every thing new is to be mercerly attacked, and iff they can't defend them self it's their own faulth/problem,
my only question is, that most corp probaly are a few guys trying to build up a comunity, and these normaly takes a long time!

And the "carebears" your are so intent on hunting are killing, almost every one never join or form corp, they are in NPC corps,
and don't care about wardec, since that has no effect on them!

ROFL your are probaly rigtht that im going to get another wardec for that, but it's kinda like getthing wet,
if you are wet, another bucket of water does make much of a difference!

I get the reasoning behind wardecs. High sec ,safety ,carebears , content ,blah blah blah. But when they are non stop, it makes being in a corp unplayable. There should atleast be a cool down between non mutual wars to give some breathing room / refit whatever.

As it stands right now, I will never join a high sec corp again and just play solo, or join RvB or something similar where fights are wanted.

EVE is a PvP game first, last, and always.

Not defending yourself is not a playstyle, either. You have no right to that at all. If you think you do, then yes, you are playing the wrong game. Glad you finally get it.

It's not "unplayable" at all as the TheMittani.com article linked above just explained. It just makes AFK mining in a corp in a war "unplayable". You can carry on your activities just fine with only a few changes in behaviour which will give you good practice for when you ever choose to leave highsec.

This is working as intended. If you do not want to join together with other players to carve out your place in New Eden you are much better off in the NPC corp and just use a chat channel to be part of a player group. Then you can run missions and mine with your friends free of any concerns of wardecs. But if you want the increased benefits that a corporation provides, you must accept that you are valid target for other corporations in this game you are in competition with.

Eve is a PvP team game just like baseball. You cannot form a team and declare that you only want to bat and score runs because you do not like having to spend any effort on defense. If you do not want to take the field as a defender, then just stick to the batting cage that is the NPC corp and play by yourself with that robo-pitcher thingamajig.

This coming from a guy who freaked at the idea of being able to lose a wardec..

Doesn't matter how it's done.. Structure, k/D ratio, who made more ISK, who pissed in who's Cheerios, or whatever the method is.
You do not want to lose a wardec.

The mechanic should not be locking the defender in until the aggressor decides they're done, or until they basically give up.
There should be a way to win, thus denying the aggressors ability to keep you wardecced.

But I'm not
Going to bother getting into all this again..
Deccers don't want change unless it's positive change for them...
If they wanted a challenge, they wouldn't be using the wardec mechanic anyway, and certainly wouldn't be using it to wardec industrial corps and/or they guys that undock in the shiny mission boats..

Who? Because what I objected to was the savage curtailing of player freedom and the absolute squelching of small and solo groups, all for the selfish needs of a few people who feel entitled to safety they do not deserve.




You keep saying that, but you keep posting, because you are a pathetic troll.




Nope. Unlike you, we actually want balance, not a selfish, one-sided buff to safety.

Ill just put this out there, that i know im probably doing it wrong, and too much of a carebear. But I do want to be a part of player corps and know people. Other than having a chat tab for these people, what benefit does a corp have that an npc corp doesnt.

Also, how fair is it for a small corp trying to get their **** together to get beat up on by the huge alliances like marmites or w/e. Seems if your not in a big alliance then your just fresh meat for someone else. Are small corps just filler content?

1) wait, you mean like small and solo PVE players are curtailed by the current dec mechanic, as it allows them to be decced cheaper than anyone else, permanently, and by entities with about 20 times the members?
Heaven forbid a small group wouldn't be able to wardec a 10,000 man alliance anymore.
you should totally be allowed to kick a bear in the nuts without getting mauled..../sarcasm.

If capsuleers had only one life, and no NPC stations, a lot of these decs wouldn't happen.

You claims are that it hinders small entities. Those small entities are not there to have a fight.. They are not there to stop the expansion of an entity by reducing their trade capabilities. They're not even there to have a war.

They are there solely to get kills wih as little risks as possible.

I say f#ck anyone who wants easy kills.
The mechanic needs to be built around entities that are willing to "fight for their play styles" just as you have suggested to everyone who isn't a wardeccer.

You can sit here and make claims that they're at just as much risk as the defender, and I'll flat out call you a liar because wardec corps are built specifically around reducing risks.
They don't mine, mission, explore, run combat sites, incursion, have no structures, look specifically for targets of opportunity, do not undock to hostile fleets, etc etc etc; but most of all, they aren't stuck in the wardec they created.
If it's made mutual, they can end it. If a week runs, they don't have to pay.
However, their target (that was chosen specifically because they felt they were easy kills) is stuck in the war until the aggressor ends it.

You can sit here and make claims about deccers having player freedom, and how you shouldn't be in a corp if you can't defend yourself, but until that goes both ways, that argument is moot.
Aggressor player freedom trumps that of the defender for as long as the aggressor wishes it to, while at the same time allowing a group that can't defend themselves to not have to defend themselves as any hostile threat can be ignored.