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HAM Legion vs HAM Tengu?

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Jace Varus
Lemur Appreciation Society
#1 - 2016-01-19 21:29:17 UTC
What are the pros/cons of HAM Legions and Tengus? Is there a certain one that is better for some situations?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-01-20 01:35:39 UTC
ham legion has a much smaller sig (and any of the other advantages armor gives)
frankly outragious buffer tank (which gets silly with hg slaves)

can have bonused neuts with one of its subs which will give people the hebejebes,
(seriously ive seen small gangs go a long way to keep clear of those things)
handles like a three bedroom semi-detached house though so bear this in mind

does not smell of caldari filth (which is nice)

hamgu has a much better active tank , higher dps and i think its faster, im not sure though,
i dont like the smell of the things so im sure someone will give you a more thorough rundown on it.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#3 - 2016-01-20 01:37:46 UTC
I've only flown a Ham Legion but I can list some pros and cons that I have noticed.


Pros:
+Can sport a monster buffer tank or active or a combination of the two ie; 1600 plate+dead space repper+slaves
+Decent DPS
+100mn AB ignores scrams and webs(mostly)
+Selectable damage
+High speed due to oversized prop mod and low signature radius from lack of Sig bloom can negate a lot of DPS
+Did I mention the beastly tank


Cons:
-as agile as pole barn
-damage projection
-AB eats a lot of cap and can be pita if support skills aren't pretty high

Uses:
*Definitely a PVP build but can be utilized in PVE
*Great for solo or small gang
*Great for heavy tackle

Side notes:
I would say it almost requires bling and links to pull off. Also slave implants are very beneficial.

That's all I can come up with for now but I'm sure there are more in both categories. Will update if I remember anything.


HTH

Oderint Dum Metuant

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2016-01-20 01:41:22 UTC
its hard to understate how much of an impact a full hg slave set makes to this ship.
so if you dont have a set already i would set the 2b aside
Valkin Mordirc
#5 - 2016-01-20 03:48:52 UTC
HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion, they tend to be a little fast and far more agile. You can mitigate the large sig radius of a shield based tank by going with an active tank and focus your rigs on DPS/Application/Range. HAM Tengus also get slightly better ranges as well.


100MN fits for Tengu is where it shines the most. You still need links for it to really work and get you faster then MWDs but even without Range Rigs your range and links with faction in 30km which synergies well with the Rep Fleet Point. Your tank plus speed lets you stay on field very well, I've managed to tank an Ivy kitchen fleet with no issues.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#6 - 2016-01-20 07:24:21 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion

but only in kinetics. Which is so bad for other rats. Also Legion has free mid slots for new missiles modules.
Overall I would take Tengu for guristas and Legion for everything else.

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Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-01-20 08:31:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Garrett Osinov
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion

but only in kinetics. Which is so bad for other rats. Also Legion has free mid slots for new missiles modules.
Overall I would take Tengu for guristas and Legion for everything else.


Nope...even if Tengu uses unbonused missiles it still does same damage and has more range then Legion. And has better tank as well. I am talking about Pve, not Pvp.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2016-01-20 08:43:04 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion, they tend to be a little fast and far more agile. You can mitigate the large sig radius of a shield based tank by going with an active tank and focus your rigs on DPS/Application/Range. HAM Tengus also get slightly better ranges as well.


100MN fits for Tengu is where it shines the most. You still need links for it to really work and get you faster then MWDs but even without Range Rigs your range and links with faction in 30km which synergies well with the Rep Fleet Point. Your tank plus speed lets you stay on field very well, I've managed to tank an Ivy kitchen fleet with no issues.

Hahaha eve uni.
JohnLock2011
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-01-20 09:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: JohnLock2011
I fly Legion, all variants.

Around 630DPS with faction BC and good skills and selectable dmg type
100mn is suberb for solo risky engagement or escape, but 34sec. align time ^^
160K EHP with faction modules, 200K EHP with Slave set.
U can use 6HAMS and one medium neut at high to break active tanks of many ships, incude Tengu ^^.
1vs1 u kill all Tengus mostly (depends on your fit), except ECM (because they escpae ^^)

ITS LEGION!!!P a beautifull shiny T3 Cool
Solid Hinken
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-04-15 09:35:27 UTC
Can any1 share a fit for both of the HAMgu and HAMgion?
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2016-04-15 10:00:32 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
its hard to understate how much of an impact a full hg slave set makes to this ship.
so if you dont have a set already i would set the 2b aside

I love the subtle humor that both HAM ships need a lot of pork to work.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-04-15 11:35:56 UTC
So, first up the usual ham tengu fit is a totally different ship from the legion

First the tengu:

[Tengu, new100mn]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Navy Cap Booster 400 x15
Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile x1500
Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile x2980
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x2980
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x6445
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile x1500
Nanite Repair Paste x252


- you have the typcial 100mn kitey tengu stuff, a small but sustainable active tank, lots of dps and quite decent application due to the web + mgc. With faction and implants you project 700 dps to 44km or 550 to 66km with javelin, you go 3.4km/s preheat with links and snakes all with decent agility and cap.

[Legion, New Setup 3]
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpii A-Type Thermal Plating
Corpii A-Type EM Plating
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Ammatar Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This (and i just made that fit, so probably not optimized, there also is the plate/rep fit but i like this more, also snakes>slaves).

If you plug it into eft youll see that its much less agile then the tengu, that its guns have 0 range and that it is also slower. It also deals a lot less dps.

It also flies nothing alike it, while the tengu is a kiter the legion is a very tanky ship (2.7k tank preheat with links, nobles and strong exile) that is really small and really hard to put damage on due to the ab speed. It also can always get back to the gate/station due to the ab.



So 100mn ham tengu usually is a kiter with a weak tank that relies on its sig tank and speed to survive while the ham legion relies on its high tank to outlast opponents and the ab is there to help an to give some mobility.



There are 100mn brawl tengu fits, which usually tank a lot more then anything else, but they struggle with cap a lot and are also a lot bigger then the legion, so they get hit more often. But they are really rare.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-04-17 22:06:07 UTC
Hamgu - Pro: Shield Tank
Con: Shield Tank

Ham Legion - Pro: Armour Tank
Con: Armour Tank

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Stapaina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-04-21 16:13:45 UTC
JohnLock2011 wrote:
I fly Legion, all variants.

Around 630DPS with faction BC and good skills and selectable dmg type
100mn is suberb for solo risky engagement or escape, but 34sec. align time ^^
160K EHP with faction modules, 200K EHP with Slave set.
U can use 6HAMS and one medium neut at high to break active tanks of many ships, incude Tengu ^^.
1vs1 u kill all Tengus mostly (depends on your fit), except ECM (because they escpae ^^)

ITS LEGION!!!P a beautifull shiny T3 Cool


If you come against Regengu, then 1 neut isn't going to do any harm, you need about 7 or 8 of them to shut it's tank. And that kind of Regengu can do almost 700 dps and tank up to 3k of damage.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#15 - 2016-04-21 17:48:54 UTC
[Legion, Neuts Droens]
Corelum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer
Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer
Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer
Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer
Dark Blood Small Energy Nosferatu
Dark Blood Small Energy Nosferatu

Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

'Augmented' Hammerhead x5
Infiltrator II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Nanite Repair Paste x150
Navy Cap Booster 800 x12

When in a small fleet, priceless..