EVE General Discussion

Venture makes a great pvp ship. A pvp ship for fun.

This reminds me that I need to dust off one of my battle ventures... it's been a while.
Never successfully scored a good kill with one, but they are fun to try at least.

I'll try be constructive and post a small comparison between a venture and a prospect, based on my experiences

1) Cost and training time
The venture is a winner, costing only 250k isk versus the 20mil something and almost 20+ days of training for a prospect. The venture is the way to go for mining in a very dangerous space, where probably you are going to die in clone without implants, making the risk/reward ratio most likely pending on your side.

2) Cargo and Ore Hold.
I didn't say cargo hold for mistake or to troll, the cargo hold is what's making a prospect shine. A venture has only 50m2, making it actually impossible to bring a mobile depot and something else to fit, and the only way to refit in space without a mobile depot is either a ship with a ship hangar and a ship hangar in PoS. If you are ninja mining in wh / low / null space, much likely you wont have any of the two, and it can happen you pass from harvesting gas to mining mercoxit in the same trip.
Ore hold is also important, even if you have a wormhole taking you from your safe high sec home to a dangerous space, be it a c1 to 3, low or null, minimizing your trips also reduce the chance someone is awaiting you at the gate / wormhole to kill you and steal your precious cargo.

3) Tanking ability.
Both can sig tank and speed tank decently, a venture has +2 warp core stab while the prospect easly have twice the EHP of the venture. If you orbit gas clouds, it's very hard to get surprised, as the clouds have something like 75 km of radius and if you get surprised it's a stealth bomber. You are dead in both ways.

4) Cloaking, or lack of thereof
I found the fact of having the cloak to be marginal in my choices of ship, it's ofc nice to be able to cloak the entire fleet, from the scout to the mining ship, but not a dealbreaker. Cloak saved me a couple of times, but considering that most of the times you are uncloaked harvesting gas / ore it's not as important as you think it is.

In conclusion, the prospect is not a direct upgrade of the venture, it's a ship that follow the mining theme of the venture, but also it's designed to do different, more advanced things of course of a different price tag too.

Also, for the op, if you want a ship that can mine ore, cloak, use a scan probe launcher, refit in space with a depot and with a huge cargo hold, try the endurance.

Yeah you can't fit it while you have a probe launcher attached unless you take off one harvester. or use a mobile depot which just gets annoying.

Why isn't there an upgrade to yield. And a high slot?

Because you are getting the ability to cloak along with a bunch of other ancillary benefits.

If you look around at other ships you will see pretty much the same "issue."

Assault Frigates. Interceptors, and Stealth Bombers are technically "upgrades" of Tech 1 Frigates. And yet, they are not.
AFs trade speed and agility for extra durability and some damage.
Interceptors trade durability and damage for speed and agility.
Stealth Bombers give up speed, agility, and durability for damage dealing (its only real defense is the ability to cloak and pick and choose engagements).

And none of these ships are designed to be "cost effective" relative to Tech 1 ships or "do everything" in one nice, neat package.

Mad 'cause bad.

Pretty much this, I see a lot of people making the mistake of assuming that T2 = 'better'. But you usually sacrifice a lot of versatility for speciality when you go T2. I would argue the only exceptions being assault frigates, HACs and Marauders, generally speaking t2 =/= upgrade. It's more about role focusing.

There's not one definitely best ship.

There is an upgrade to yield in comparison to the venture.