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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#41 - 2016-01-19 03:30:01 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
ya i watched it the prospect's new use comes in an unknown form. after training for 30-60 days to get into one and up all its role bonuses. i can now train for another 10-20 days for modules so that sleeper rats can shoot at me while i mine gas with no problem.

it means when i find a really good gas site i can get both clouds of gas even when the sleeper rats are shooting at me. this reduces scanning time. that's good.


Said "really good gas site" is probably worth >ISK100m/Prospect Load.

That's better ISK/hr than Incursions for a lot less training time (you seen how long the train for large turrets V is?)

Leonerd Dice wrote:
ill admit its got that purpose. but no offense it's still not impressing me as a 25+ training time upgrade. especially for ore mining. and especially since you cant have a god damned cloak ont here with a god damned probe launcher at the same time. like what makes that so OP??

ps i recognise the benefits of a covert ops cloak. thats why i want one on there with a probe launcher at the same time.... i think were in agreeance here.


Mobile Depots are a *thing* you know? They don't take that long to setup.

Sure, it'd be *nice* to have that extra high slot and I wouldn't object to it happening, but I'm not going to write off the entire vessel for that one perceived 'lack'.

Leonerd Dice wrote:
and i read the last thing about how a normal cloak is just such junk compared to the covert ops one. um ...
who cares ....


I never said the regular cloak was 'junk' or that the Endurance's bonuses for cloaks were useless, please don't put words in my mouth like that.

Leonerd Dice wrote:
you cant mine cloaked the only time you REALLY need to cloaked is when your attention is on scanning sites and youre just floating around in space which a normal cloak does pretty nicely. warping into a gas site cloaked lol. so what??


Well, I'd sure find it handy to be able to warp off my cloud at the first sign of Scan Probes in space and go invisible. Or just burn off the cloud a little and cloak up, ready to sneaky warp away if something lands at the site.

And you're ignoring the Cov Cyno and BLOPS Bridgeable capabilities of the Prospect. I know some drug manufacturers that routinely bridge fleets of Prospects around.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-01-19 03:34:44 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:


nonon ive literally got a peice of paper here. i dont need a website to do it for me.


Apparently you do, because left to your own devices, you've put 350 CPU worth of modules onto a ship with 222.5 CPU (at max skills).


FOR F*CK SAKES MAN. I USE TO HAVE ONE.


Cool, post the fit.

Quote:
you're probably forgetting skill bonuses.


No, I'm pretty certain that's not the case.

Quote:
there are other ships out there like the NAGA that can fit 5 harvesters with no cpu issues.


Back in your first post you were complaining about the cost of a Prospect making it scary to bring into wormholes, now you're suggesting a gas-harvester fit... Naga? What would you name it? "Free lulzy killmail for any stealth bomber (or damn near anything else, for that matter) who happens by" is kind of a mouthful and I am pretty sure there are character limits. :\

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Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2016-01-19 03:35:09 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:
ya i watched it the prospect's new use comes in an unknown form. after training for 30-60 days to get into one and up all its role bonuses. i can now train for another 10-20 days for modules so that sleeper rats can shoot at me while i mine gas with no problem.

it means when i find a really good gas site i can get both clouds of gas even when the sleeper rats are shooting at me. this reduces scanning time. that's good.


Said "really good gas site" is probably worth >ISK100m/Prospect Load.

That's better ISK/hr than Incursions for a lot less training time (you seen how long the train for large turrets V is?)

Leonerd Dice wrote:
ill admit its got that purpose. but no offense it's still not impressing me as a 25+ training time upgrade. especially for ore mining. and especially since you cant have a god damned cloak ont here with a god damned probe launcher at the same time. like what makes that so OP??

ps i recognise the benefits of a covert ops cloak. thats why i want one on there with a probe launcher at the same time.... i think were in agreeance here.


Mobile Depots are a *thing* you know? They don't take that long to setup.

Sure, it'd be *nice* to have that extra high slot and I wouldn't object to it happening, but I'm not going to write off the entire vessel for that one perceived 'lack'.

Leonerd Dice wrote:
and i read the last thing about how a normal cloak is just such junk compared to the covert ops one. um ...
who cares ....


I never said the regular cloak was 'junk' or that the Endurance's bonuses for cloaks were useless, please don't put words in my mouth like that.

Leonerd Dice wrote:
you cant mine cloaked the only time you REALLY need to cloaked is when your attention is on scanning sites and youre just floating around in space which a normal cloak does pretty nicely. warping into a gas site cloaked lol. so what??


Well, I'd sure find it handy to be able to warp off my cloud at the first sign of Scan Probes in space and go invisible. Or just burn off the cloud a little and cloak up, ready to sneaky warp away if something lands at the site.

And you're ignoring the Cov Cyno and BLOPS Bridgeable capabilities of the Prospect. I know some drug manufacturers that routinely bridge fleets of Prospects around.


see this is you assuming. i use to gas mine. and i use to do the math. believe me it needs a buff. especially for its ore yield.
Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2016-01-19 03:41:23 UTC
Quote:
there are other ships out there like the NAGA that can fit 5 harvesters with no cpu issues.


Back in your first post you were complaining about the cost of a Prospect making it scary to bring into wormholes, now you're suggesting a gas-harvester fit... Naga? What would you name it? "Free lulzy killmail for any stealth bomber (or damn near anything else, for that matter) who happens by" is kind of a mouthful and I am pretty sure there are character limits. :\[/quote]

I'm done with you. Please breed as much as you can before you die. I love conversations with no goal, no direction and where there's no end because I'm always wrong. I can't even imagine how your brain works. I legit think, you think you're actually talking about the same thing I'm talking about and bringing up valid points.

I'm done talking to you.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2016-01-19 03:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Leonerd Dice wrote:


I'm done with you. Please breed as much as you can before you die. I love conversations with no goal, no direction and where there's no end because I'm always wrong. I can't even imagine how your brain works. I legit think, you think you're actually talking about the same thing I'm talking about and bringing up valid points.

I'm done talking to you.


I just think it is very weird that someone who, just a few posts back, was making such a ruckus about people not doing the math, is suddenly very averse to showing a fit with workable numbers.

Surely this should be a trivial task for an Eve numbers-ninja such as yourself.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2016-01-19 03:50:51 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:


I'm done with you. Please breed as much as you can before you die. I love conversations with no goal, no direction and where there's no end because I'm always wrong. I can't even imagine how your brain works. I legit think, you think you're actually talking about the same thing I'm talking about and bringing up valid points.

I'm done talking to you.


And here we have Projection, fawning in its native habitat of blind arrogance. Watch as it scurries about, attempting to deny its flaws with unsubstantiated accusations of flaws in others. Oh, look, it found a mate, Entitlement. Don't they make a lovely couple?

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#47 - 2016-01-19 03:52:15 UTC
i've reported this thread for trolling and/or ranting.

@op, if you can't recognize the capability of prospect to equip a covert ops cloak, then ...|..., you're a moron.

good day. o7

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#48 - 2016-01-19 04:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
I humored the OP.

With max skills...

Without a (single) T2 Co-Processor...
- the Catalyst has 222 CPU
- the Venture has 300 CPU
- the Prospect has 362 CPU

With a (single) T2 Co-Processor...
- the Catalyst has 244 CPU
- the Venture has 330 CPU
- the Prospect has 398 CPU

tldr; the OP is wrong about a bunch of things and doesn't know what he is talking about.


Oh yeah... and you are still missing the fundamental aspect that no ship in EVE can do everything perfectly without making serious tradeoffs in another area.
Scanning and mining are two VERY different things and thus require two very different fits.

How did you Veterans start?
Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2016-01-19 04:19:05 UTC
Wow this is the Eve Community ladies and gentleman. These are real people.

P.S. I think I used a special catalyst edition back in the day. and ended up using a Naga just because it was easier to fit 5 Tech II Gas Harvesters. So it's funny. I have the feeling here too that it's one guy with multiple accounts. Eve's really bad for this. People owning sometimes up to 10 accounts maybe more. And on each of them pretending to be someone else. Just awful.

ALL OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG.
Try to understand this future person who searches this thread on google.
Hopefully by then the Prospects been buffed.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2016-01-19 04:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Wow this is the Eve Community ladies and gentleman. These are real people.

P.S. I think I used a special catalyst edition back in the day. and ended up using a Naga just because it was easier to fit 5 Tech II Gas Harvesters.


There is no "special catalyst edition" with different fitting stats. I mean, I guess you could use an Eris? Still turns into a total shitfit, though.

Quote:

So it's funny. I have the feeling here too that it's one guy with multiple accounts. Eve's really bad for this. People owning sometimes up to 10 accounts maybe more. And on each of them pretending to be someone else. Just awful.


Can I be Shahfluffers? He's dreamy.

Quote:

ALL OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG.
Try to understand this future person who searches this thread on google.
Hopefully by then the Prospects been buffed.


I understand they're going to see a bunch of different people provide lucid, mathematically supported explanations for why almost everything you have said is objectively incorrect, and apoplectic, caps-lock riddled fits from you in response.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2016-01-19 04:32:35 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Wow this is the Eve Community ladies and gentleman. These are real people.

P.S. I think I used a special catalyst edition back in the day. and ended up using a Naga just because it was easier to fit 5 Tech II Gas Harvesters. So it's funny. I have the feeling here too that it's one guy with multiple accounts. Eve's really bad for this. People owning sometimes up to 10 accounts maybe more. And on each of them pretending to be someone else. Just awful.

ALL OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG.
Try to understand this future person who searches this thread on google.
Hopefully by then the Prospects been buffed.


Confirming I'm your alt and you're just as bad as everyone else. GG.Roll

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2016-01-19 04:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
But seriously though, you want to know what's really awful?

When someone like you who doesn't know what he's talking about rages about the EVE community being awful just because they criticise your ideas and demonstrate that they, who have been at this a long time now, do know what they're talking about. They DEMONSTRATED it. "You're awful" =/= "you're wrong". You're attempting to dismiss the points made both against your misinformation and for your benefit and instead of learning from them, you hold your ground and stomp your feet like a child throwing a tantrum in denial because you can't handle the fact that you simply aren't going to get your own way.

That's what's awful here. Not just awful, but rotten, indignant, and so intellectually dishonest that I would take a monkey with a communications major more seriously than you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-01-19 04:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Leonerd Dice wrote:
I'm always wrong.

Glad you got there in the end.

PS -
You've been arguing with some of the most intelligent, knowledgeable, and helpful people in EVE. They are not the problem. You are the problem.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#54 - 2016-01-19 05:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Leonerd Dice wrote:
I have the feeling here too that it's one guy with multiple accounts. Eve's really bad for this. People owning sometimes up to 10 accounts maybe more. And on each of them pretending to be someone else. Just awful.

Check my posting history. Blink

I am often haunting the New Citizens Q & A dispensing all the knowledge I have to offer... even though doing so denies me potential targets.

Leonerd Dice wrote:
ALL OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG.

Familiarize yourself with the slag definition of "moted."

Don't feel too bad. A lot of us have done what you are doing now; declaring that something is bad (or "useless") because it doesn't do everything you need it to in one simple package... pulling numbers from thin air... being indignant.

In time you laugh about this as I laugh about the crap I have said in the past.

SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Can I be Shahfluffers? He's dreamy.

Giggity. Blink

How did you Veterans start?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#55 - 2016-01-19 05:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
K. I've got my yellow rain coat and galoshes on here.

I'm gonna now spout my opinion in all of its glory on this ship I've yet to fly...
(I have flown ventures before, just not the prospect)

The CovOps cloak and small sig radius are a big deal.
The cloak has been covered by other wise folks, but recap...
Warping cloaked, crashing gate camps, bubbles, covops cynos and bridges.
Sig radius for the bits described above, even if you aren't flying one of these things with malicious intent.
That low sig radius means increased lock time from baddies and increased scan time with combat probes... giving an alert pilot more time to take defensive measures (read that as cloak up and GTFO).

The venture is a cheap gas mining frigate that is fast to train into and is pretty much expendable.
The prospect is for mining in scary places where you would not likely survive long enough to bring your haul back in a venture.
Of course in order to utilize it properly you have to accept that it fills a different role, rather than being a straight upgrade.

It yields better because in the places it mines you yield nothing in a venture or a barge, because dead ships mine no ore/gas/ice. So really, all the bickering about numbers is pretty much irrelevant.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
#56 - 2016-01-19 05:19:37 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Wow this is the Eve Community ladies and gentleman. These are real people.

P.S. I think I used a special catalyst edition back in the day. and ended up using a Naga just because it was easier to fit 5 Tech II Gas Harvesters. So it's funny. I have the feeling here too that it's one guy with multiple accounts. Eve's really bad for this. People owning sometimes up to 10 accounts maybe more. And on each of them pretending to be someone else. Just awful.

ALL OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG.
Try to understand this future person who searches this thread on google.
Hopefully by then the Prospects been buffed.

Take a good look at yourself in the mirror bro. You ever thought about bringing your particular brand of drivel over to the c&p subforum? Those guys over there would just LOVE to hear all your awesome opinions.

Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Pix Severus
Empty You
#57 - 2016-01-19 05:31:12 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
I have the feeling here too that it's one guy with multiple accounts. Eve's really bad for this. People owning sometimes up to 10 accounts maybe more. And on each of them pretending to be someone else. Just awful.


Spoilers: Everyone in this thread (except you) is just me trolling with multiple accounts.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#58 - 2016-01-19 05:54:28 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Spoilers: Everyone in this thread (except you) is just me trolling with multiple accounts.


the multi-alt trolling potential of this thread is staggering, such ripe and golden opportunities should be celebrated especially when the OP is exploding in ALL CAPS by page two.

Well played, Sir.

Alas, I am gainfully employed at current and can't devote the necessary *effort* to join you in the sport.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#59 - 2016-01-19 05:55:42 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Spoilers: Everyone in this thread (except you) is just me trolling with multiple accounts.


the multi-alt trolling potential of this thread is staggering, such ripe and golden opportunities should be celebrated especially when the OP is exploding in ALL CAPS by page two.

Well played, Sir.

Alas, I am gainfully employed at current and can't devote the necessary *effort* to join you in the sport.


You two are definitely alts. I mean, just look at the avatars.

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Dr Slave PhD
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#60 - 2016-01-19 06:01:52 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Spoilers: Everyone in this thread (except you) is just me trolling with multiple accounts.


the multi-alt trolling potential of this thread is staggering, such ripe and golden opportunities should be celebrated especially when the OP is exploding in ALL CAPS by page two.

Well played, Sir.

Alas, I am gainfully employed at current and can't devote the necessary *effort* to join you in the sport.


You two are definitely alts. I mean, just look at the avatars.


Aha dammit...