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Why I am leaving EVE after 8+ years of playing

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Gil Nutz
Singularities of Destruction
#1 - 2016-01-18 20:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gil Nutz
I just wanted to take the time to explain my reasons in hopes maybe CCP will understand why this great game is on its last legs. I played eve because it wasnt like other MMO's out there. It was hard. It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships. Nothing was givin to you. You had to earn it. With the soon to be release of being able to transfer character SP for real money that will no longer be the case. You wont need to take time and patients to learn the skills needed to play. You can just whip out your credit card. Gone will be the days of pride at taking the time to learn the skills to fly a ship. You wont have that sense of accomplishment anymore. Gone are the days of a good community as well. Look at all the other pay to win games out there. Those communities are toxic. And before you say eve isnt pay to win it is. The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex. Yes we have plex but that does not unbalance the game. Being allowed to transfer sp for real money does. Its no longer about training skills. It will be about how much money you can drop on skill points. Now let me explain how this will not add new people to your community. Not only are you gonna lose alot of your player base when you decide to do this but it will never have the effect you want it to. Pay to win types of people do not stick to games very long. They get bored after a month and leave. Also new people who dont want to pay after they have to pay a subscription fee will see it as a huge turn off and you will lose the majority of the small amount of new people you already dont have. As for new people who do spend. You are setting them up for failure. They have no idea how to fly the ships they just magically learned how to fly, and so they spend plex to buy said ship and then within a day or 2 they loose it. Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this. I did not agree with alot of decisions that you have made CCP but I stuck with you guys because those decisions you made did not effect the balance of the game. It did not give unfair advantages to people who have a bigger wallet. And so I will take my many years and great memories and leave with them before the game I love becomes a former shadow of what it used to be. Congrats CCP your becoming more like EA games everyday. Good bye and enjoy the game while it lasts. Eve will die because of bad choices. End rant Fly safe or dangerous.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2016-01-18 20:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Shocked Meine Augen!!!







This also belongs in OOPE. Don't let the door hit ya, where the big Fedo split ya.

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Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-01-18 20:59:26 UTC
Damm man use punctuation .
Pix Severus
Empty You
#4 - 2016-01-18 21:02:29 UTC
Gil Nutz wrote:
It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships.


EVE is filled with space doctors?

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-01-18 21:03:59 UTC
I will give you the gift of paragraphs in exchange for all of your stuff

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Ordala
Loud'n'Proud
#6 - 2016-01-18 21:04:54 UTC
Can i have your stuff? Big smile
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#7 - 2016-01-18 21:11:38 UTC
Ordala wrote:
Can i have your stuff? Big smile



I asked for them first, in exchange for the wonders of human-centric formatting.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Ordala
Loud'n'Proud
#8 - 2016-01-18 21:18:22 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I asked for them first, in exchange for the wonders of human-centric formatting.


A few sec befor me y, but i think after 8+ years there is enough for both of us Cool
Max Kurtis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-01-18 21:22:16 UTC
HAppy 2016 skill for sale feature is soon here ahahahahhaha
Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2016-01-18 21:24:34 UTC
Gil Nutz wrote:
I just wanted to take the time to explain my reasons in hopes maybe CCP will understand why this great game is on its last legs. I played eve because it wasnt like other MMO's out there. It was hard. It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships. Nothing was givin to you. You had to earn it.

With the soon to be release of being able to transfer character SP for real money that will no longer be the case. You wont need to take time and patients to learn the skills needed to play. You can just whip out your credit card. Gone will be the days of pride at taking the time to learn the skills to fly a ship. You wont have that sense of accomplishment anymore. Gone are the days of a good community as well. Look at all the other pay to win games out there. Those communities are toxic.

And before you say eve isnt pay to win it is. The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex. Yes we have plex but that does not unbalance the game. Being allowed to transfer sp for real money does. Its no longer about training skills. It will be about how much money you can drop on skill points. Now let me explain how this will not add new people to your community. Not only are you gonna lose alot of your player base when you decide to do this but it will never have the effect you want it to. Pay to win types of people do not stick to games very long. They get bored after a month and leave. Also new people who dont want to pay after they have to pay a subscription fee will see it as a huge turn off and you will lose the majority of the small amount of new people you already dont have.

As for new people who do spend. You are setting them up for failure. They have no idea how to fly the ships they just magically learned how to fly, and so they spend plex to buy said ship and then within a day or 2 they loose it. Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this.

I did not agree with alot of decisions that you have made CCP but I stuck with you guys because those decisions you made did not effect the balance of the game. It did not give unfair advantages to people who have a bigger wallet. And so I will take my many years and great memories and leave with them before the game I love becomes a former shadow of what it used to be. Congrats CCP your becoming more like EA games everyday.

Good bye and enjoy the game while it lasts. Eve will die because of bad choices. End rant Fly safe or dangerous.


For the love of God, man. I helped you out with making your goodbye rant easier to read. Now do me a solid and contract me your stuff.

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Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-01-18 21:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Wesley Otsdarva
Except you've always been able to buy skillpoints in the form of a whole new character. This just makes it better to keep character identity.

This changes nothing. Except you now don't have to buy a whole character.

EDIT: And you bought said whole character in the form of isk. Which is what plex can be used for.
Chandelin
Abandoned Farm
#12 - 2016-01-18 21:38:07 UTC
Please edit your topix to state "naked chicks" or somthing better than why im leaving.

More people who are drunk will read it
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-01-18 21:46:44 UTC
Dude, is your return button broken?????

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-01-18 21:47:32 UTC
Soloman Jackson wrote:
Gil Nutz wrote:
I just wanted to take the time to explain my reasons in hopes maybe CCP will understand why this great game is on its last legs. I played eve because it wasnt like other MMO's out there. It was hard. It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships. Nothing was givin to you. You had to earn it.

With the soon to be release of being able to transfer character SP for real money that will no longer be the case. You wont need to take time and patients to learn the skills needed to play. You can just whip out your credit card. Gone will be the days of pride at taking the time to learn the skills to fly a ship. You wont have that sense of accomplishment anymore. Gone are the days of a good community as well. Look at all the other pay to win games out there. Those communities are toxic.

And before you say eve isnt pay to win it is. The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex. Yes we have plex but that does not unbalance the game. Being allowed to transfer sp for real money does. Its no longer about training skills. It will be about how much money you can drop on skill points. Now let me explain how this will not add new people to your community. Not only are you gonna lose alot of your player base when you decide to do this but it will never have the effect you want it to. Pay to win types of people do not stick to games very long. They get bored after a month and leave. Also new people who dont want to pay after they have to pay a subscription fee will see it as a huge turn off and you will lose the majority of the small amount of new people you already dont have.

As for new people who do spend. You are setting them up for failure. They have no idea how to fly the ships they just magically learned how to fly, and so they spend plex to buy said ship and then within a day or 2 they loose it. Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this.

I did not agree with alot of decisions that you have made CCP but I stuck with you guys because those decisions you made did not effect the balance of the game. It did not give unfair advantages to people who have a bigger wallet. And so I will take my many years and great memories and leave with them before the game I love becomes a former shadow of what it used to be. Congrats CCP your becoming more like EA games everyday.

Good bye and enjoy the game while it lasts. Eve will die because of bad choices. End rant Fly safe or dangerous.


For the love of God, man. I helped you out with making your goodbye rant easier to read. Now do me a solid and contract me your stuff.


When reading a reply is easier then the OP


+2

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-01-18 21:49:51 UTC
That whole "whipping out creditcard" you speak of and "newbies who don't stay", coincide.


Doesn't mean we should leave.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2016-01-18 21:52:36 UTC
except you can't just pull out the credit card and get sp.

processes would invovle cc -> plex -> isk -> skill packets

currently you can cc -> plex -> isk -> new character

I don't know that I like the new system, but I don't have any huge major logical objections.

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Pryce Caesar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-01-18 22:01:38 UTC
Depending on how much Isk these thing will be worth in-game, it may actually deter pay to win. Plex is already 15 to 20 dollars and billions of Isk in-game, and that is just for game time. A comparative estimate for skill trading is effectively another case of game - time translating into money. 500,000 skilpoints would not be cheap, and skill time training multipliers would further diminish return as much as your current standing skill points affecting the amount of points you get upon injection.

On the professional side of things, however, I can see this being used by long time player to not only make profit by getting rid of skilpoints attached to skills they do not use anymore but also help Corp members get up to speed on skills they are training. Because of their value , I would think they would not be things sold easily to newcomers unless they are new members to a veteran Corp. They are not like PLEX that are used for game time or multi-training, but have a tangible effect on skill training (although 500,000 sp is pittance in the long run). Guys would likely go broke before getting anywhere tangible if they relied on sp injectors to train their characters. It is just a booster, not a game breaker. If they are priced like Plex (perhaps more) that WILL limit the potential for buying them en-masse.
Snoa Avalhar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-01-18 22:02:03 UTC
I wouldn't say it's pay-to-win necessarily.

One complaint I hear about Eve a lot from newbies is that they can't compete with the people who have been playing the game for years. A newbie's guns don't track as well and the ships don't fly as well as someone who has been constantly skill training for the last five years has. Now, of course a new player should pay their dues, but now at least it's a bit fairer on them. Now they may be more willing to go in to losec or nullsec (because they know they at least won't be totally out-skilled) instead of staying in (and eventually growing accustomed to) hisec life. And with the law of diminishing returns there is (how players with more SP get less un-allocated SP from skill injectors) it will mean new players can get a quick boost while older players won't be able to excel as quickly.

As for the skill extractors that players can fill and sell, since there are a finite number of players with a finite number of SP, even if the amount of total SP is increasing overall, an individual player won't want to drain all of their skills just for ISK. Sure, hypothetically someone could make an SP farm, but that would require either starting a new subscription or paying to train multiple pilots on one account and THEN paying for the skill extractor either with ISK or cash. It wouldn't be profitable.

So, no. I wouldn't say it's pay to win. I think the way it's been described so far will just mean that new players can jump-start the process and get them to a more intermediate level. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out though.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#19 - 2016-01-18 22:04:54 UTC
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#20 - 2016-01-18 22:05:10 UTC
Good luck to you OP.

Leaving is certainly the strongest way to express disappointment about a change.
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