Intergalactic Summit

Stupid question.

When there is a war, you have to either win it, or die trying.

In the same vein the oppression of the Caldari was driven largely by the U-Nats, who, while not branded terrorists, are now a decided minority in Gallentean politics. Yet you hold the entire Gallente people responsible forever for what they did hundreds of years ago. I think it is only fair then, to hold the Templis Dragnaurs at the same criterium - they represented the will of the Caldari people at the time. And by and large what with the absolute burning hatred and praising of murdering of civilians still get spouted each time this topic is discussed, it doesn't really seem you actually consider Dragonaurs as having done something wrong.

I throw my hands up with this discussion because evidently it is going nowhere.

I do not. Actually I'm a supporter of the current peace process, I've argued in favour of it at the Pakshi Peace Conference and nothing could make me happier than to see it succeed. There is a serious flaw in your argument, as stated above and I'll tell you what it is...

Your equation of blame and guilt factors the guilty parties as equals - to wit, the Gallente Navy and the Templis Dragonaurs. In the aftermath of the war between the Gallente and Caldari the Templis Dragonaurs were thoroughly repudiated by the Caldari State and membership in them was made illegal. Any of them that were caught were treated as criminals and terrorists and sentenced and punished accordingly.

The equivalent actor on the Gallente side was the Federal Navy. After the bombardment and blockade of Caldari Prime no Admirals were disgraced. No Ship captains were defrocked for following illegal orders. No gunners tried for murder. Bear in mind that Apartment blocks were bombarded from orbit. Freighters were shot down, full of food and medical supplies. Transports were blown apart, packed with refugees and wounded.

Yes, the U-Nat government was thrown out on it's ear and some were even prosecuted for their role in things, but the successor government immediately launched a campaign of suppression and conquest against the fledgling State, which set in motion a chain of events that bring us to today.

Is today's generation of Gallente to blame? No. Not at all. Can there be forgiveness? Yes, a thousand times, there can be forgiveness. It can even be forgotten, I think, in time - thought that's a tall order and will require a lot of work from my people, who have defined themselves as victims of aggression for, perhaps, too long.

But the first step is to admit that the chiefest wrong was committed by the Federation - that the blockade and bombardment and theft of Caldari Prime are an evil so black that crimes of process and fraud committed by the, then, Caldari government appear almost virtues in comparison. The second step is to give the homeworld back. The third step is to end the campaign of conquest that can never, now, in any case succeed.

Then there can be peace and trade and goodwill and an end to war everlasting.

There are more folk who need stabbing than floors that need dirtying, as my thirty times great grandmother used to say.

I mean, considering the body count I'm responsible for that strikes me as a sentiment most of us can relate to. Still, the Caldari have given up beheading as a punishment for dirty feet as far as I know. Perhaps I'm giving you too much credit for cultural progress and not enough consideration to how difficult all those bloodstains must have been to remove.

That's why we used to have straw mats as flooring. It's disposable and you can burn it to keep warm. How do you not know this stuff, Rinai?

Do all minmatars fail to see and listen things that were all over news in the cluster?
How tribals still fail to realize that we fight gallente not for what they did 200 years ago but for what they did 7 years ago and for what they are doing now?..
Minmatars really should be held as slaves and shouldn't allowed to speak without permission of their owner. Because such ignorance is really annoying and misleading. This is IGS, not a kindergarten.

And this is why the State must be destroyed. How dare you lie about a Minmatar venge captain, you know nothing State lapdog. Are all State citizens this dumb? You should have just let the Gallente subjugate you, and you should not be allowed to talk without their permission. Uncivilized dogs.


...Plz rate my DIana Kim impression.

A quick look at the posts suggests that "Great Hero" is in the lead, as people have doubts and concerns about Tibus Heth's actions.

But, is there really such a thing as a hero with no flaws ? Can anyone genuinely say, that were they in Tibus Heth's shoes, they would have made flawless decisions ?

Sending the Titan and liberating the planet was perfectly sane. Refusing to then press for a negotiated settlement before it became abundantly clear that he had no plan to reinforce it and neither the will nor the wherewithal to develop one? Criminally stupid.

Somehow forgetting that the whole point of a war is to blow up your enemies and prevent the blowing up of your own troops? Stupidly criminal.