Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is no arcane secret. You're making a normal Mike argument. Using all the points that favour your argument and leaving out the ones that do not.

Yes stations are a known. But to base balance on the idea that they can be camped and taken and cloaks safe spots are not known therefore cloaks are OP, is quite frankly ridiculous. Again I think I need to point out to you the name of the module. I still don't think you understand the meaning. Covert Ops.

Prey tell how do I PvP, from a safe spot? Merely hinting at some arcane secret, that only elite pilots like yourself know about, isn't making a point.
Are you suggesting I can kill people from a safe? That I don't in fact ever have to leave that safe? For your argument to even constantly give safe spots a similar safety level, surely I couldn't ever move? But now you wish for me to believe the safe spot is not only safer than a station, but I can PvP from this unassailable position and keep my safety level higher. So prey, do tell.

Or are you suggesting that the PvP on some level you hinted at, is done from a safe spot also whilst AFK? Should we talk about that elephant again? The one you include when it suits?

No, the truth of the matter is, that while I'm sat at a safe spot, I'm close to as safe as a station, but without much of the advantages that brings. Sure I can scan, hardly OP. But as soon as I move to start combat or spying, my safety levels drop. To say otherwise, would be disingenuous.

But it still remains that while I'm cloaked, the safety is a two way street.

Oh and I didn't have a clone there, until I jumped to another one in high sec as the station was being taken. Mag's also has no trade skills whatsoever, but he can chat in local. There was no preparation, none. I didn't even know they were coming for the station till they were there. So guess what I learned from this. Always have a clone in the station you have your stuff in and then you won't lose it. Yeah I can see how that's not safer.

There's nothing to grasp, because it's completely made up. It exists only in the minds of you and Mike and a few other carebear cowards.

A cloaked player cannot mechanically effect you at all. Only your cowardice does that.

Delete local.

Pretty much the same with me, I was not more than 2 years into the game so no trade skills, I did have a JC there, but that was it. Most of the stuff I sold I tossed up on contracts. But show up, chat in local and watch people start showing up in station.

Hey! How about and undock button for people AFK in station? Now that Mike has made such a strong case on the equivalence between cloaking and sitting in station...seems reasonable. We'll make it so we can find cloaks and AFK station dwellers can be ejected.

Why would they need to delete an imaginary problem? Nothing CCP will ever do will make you less of a coward, you can only fix that yourself.

I say that CCP needs to force people like you to accept uncertainty in your gameplay, or else realize that you don't belong in nullsec.

Delete local. Fix the real problem, not the made up smokescreen for more safety.

Why are you singularly unable to kill them in transit like everyone else?

You might as well complain about not being able to kill the fleet hugging the titan in a pos.

Take a different course to the same end.


It's cute you're clinging to the titans though, if we all need a reminder you're the one who made the assertion that people put the same levels of effort into killing mining barges, as supers.

Your delicious petulance aside, local is the only thing this is about.




They have none. They can D-scan and they can move, that's it.

Cry more.

Logging on seems to be the by far most common way for an afk cloaky camper to enter a system.

Perhaps you should stop whining that you find people that find afk cloaky campers annoying annoying and HTFU a bit yourself.

No end to the complaints you raise about people who dislike afk cloaky camping.

Maybe harden up a bit and learn to deal with it?

You want to make it so they can scan, see objects in space, use the overview for non-permanant things, and whatever else they may do that isn't available in a station only while within 5k of a station or gate? Sure. Forceing them into transit conditions where they are actually at risk works for me.

Seems like adjusting their safety under a cloak to an appropriate level would be easier and more useful overall, but we don't want to break your titan.

But Morringan, if he doesn't try and dictate balance from a position of complete and utter ignorance, he'd basically never post at all.

Oh...

Here is the thing....

If I am AFK I cannot D-scan nor can I probe anything. Nor can I see anything even if I am on grid with things like stations or POS.

I can only gain those benefits IF I am ATK.

All suggestions to deal with AFK players can be defeated by an ATK player.

As such, these suggestions are merely about AFK players who cannot, by definition, do the things you are worried about Mike.

So, just stop posting this nonsense.