Intergalactic Summit

U'K has had people do the same as well. They aren't traitors are they? Then again, they consist of a couple hundred pilots vs the what, 60? I don't think they can police their members as well as a smaller group. What im saying is the actions of one or two doesn't make the alliance traitorous but coupled with some other things its not looking good.....

We're not talking about having it in the militia. We're talking about having it in one's own alliance. Militia membership can't be regulated, but corporate and alliance membership can.

We don't have issues because we have standards that we expect our members to uphold.

And you have it backwards. The larger groups are the ones where it's more difficult to police, because there are many more faces and different corporations with different leaders doing different things. Smaller ones are where it's easier, because the leaders can micromanage things much easier.

Also, anyone who 'couldn't be in the militias because of their standings' isn't someone who should be in the militia to begin with. If anything, the standings restrictions are too lax as it is.

Right, so a month old alliance has an easier time picking and choosing corporations under them because they are small as opposed to a well established alliance which is bigger and attracts groups more easily to join? It's hard to promote a sense of morals if you don't have a group to promote it to. Such micromanagement falls on the corporations I would think with the alliance's leadership enforcing it. I fully agree with you on the fact that people can just corporation hop to continue being in the militia is disgusting.

I don't know what it's like in the big leagues, but in my limited experience corporations form alliances because they want to act in concert with like-minded groups whilst still retaining their essential corporate culture.

Other than strictly agreed protocols (ROEs etc), most CEOs and their corporate members would react very negatively to constantly having that corporate culture overridden by the Alliance Executor / Board. I would expect that where this happens often the relationship between the corporation and the alliance would swiftly break down.

Eh, if Funk shoots TLF, that is for Kalo to deal with, and for me to deal with if it starts to threaten standings for Sanguis, therefore the alliance. As far as shooting capsuleers in highsec, I just don't care. It also doesn't matter to me that Hratan does it.

Since we petty bands of junk flying unwashed savages kicked your sorry, invisible man worshiping asses out of our space and were about to start glassing your core worlds (before your spooky undead empress showed up with her alien--not Amarrian built-- weapon) what does that say about you and yours? Idiot.

Most certainly true, but if these corporate members are allowed to perform actions without reprimand from Directors, CEOs or Executors, then that action remains tacitly or overtly approved by the alliance's leadership. If I were to take actions running contrary to U'K RoE, conducts or regulations and there was no repercussion from my CEO (who happens to be Executor as well) then Ushra'Khan would be considered responsible, not just me. The same applies to other alliances.



Well, given your stated loyalties, I would be surprised if you were opposed to this, but I'm certain you can understand the concern we have about a member of the TLF not only flying with stated enemies, but attacking our military allies. While I personally have no love for the Federation's proxy war forces or the Federation itself (I believe you are aware of my preference for the State over the Federation) the lines have been rather unequivocally drawn. Shoot 24thIC/StPro, good. Shoot our own or Feds, bad. Until our governments finally gets tired of all this nonsense and cuts these useless ties, it is hardly a Matari act to join the TLF and then go shooting military allies.


Hratan shoots our enemies. Your alliance apparently shoots TLF members.


Of course I show no respect. You haven't earned any. You have thrown your loyalties around to whoever you felt like at a drop of a hat and now demand to be believed when you claim "it was just fake! Totally just a ruse! I swear!". If you want respect, own up to your choices and actions, then face the consequences of them. I would embrace any honest man or woman who admits her screw-ups and seeks atonement, but those who churlishly refute any and all responsibility for their choices and actions are not worth much but scorn.

I am well aware of the impact and consequences of my words, and I am also aware of the impact and consequences should I fall into dishonesty and start pretending these matters are not important for convenience's sake. I'll take short term inconvenience over long term damnation and failure to uphold the principles and standards of the Tribes.



Well, do put your autocannons where your mouth is. It is no less than what I'd expect from enemies of our people hiding under the TLF's banner. Your members already kill other TLF members, fly with our wartargets and hunt our allies. This is the logical next step, isn't it?

There's not much that would prove what I've said any better than that.

I'm mildly impressed by Of Questionable Repute's application of pragmatic principles. Despite my personal distaste for Funk, I have to admit that booting her probably isn't going to change her behaviour for the better. Sure, keeping her around looks bad, but if you're Of Questionable Repute to begin with, maybe you're not as concerned with your image as most.


You're pretty good at toeing the corporate line while bad-mouthing your allies. Why, it'd make me think there's a hint of envy in all this.


I'll grant you 6 of 0 medals.

So she's just throwing around threats that won't be acted upon? What a pity.

If you want witness to what I do on the battlefield, I think I've seen your Khaprice on field during combat operations? As I don't fly with enemies of our people - that is you, Sani Sabik, etc - I've had to fly solo in the defense of Roushzar. I am rather surprised and disappointed by the sheer amount of AmarrMil that will let a single Typhoon sit untouched for multiple large plexes in a row. I've barely gotten the paint scratched on it the last few days.