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The downfall of Minmatar Militia

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#121 - 2016-01-17 13:59:19 UTC
I can't quote comms logs here, as it's against the rules I believe, but it shouldn't be too difficult for you to trawl combat reports for quite recent events. There should also be stored communication in certain proxy war communications venues that'd elaborate.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#122 - 2016-01-17 14:53:43 UTC
Oh, it was recently? I'll take a look. Thanks.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#123 - 2016-01-17 15:11:12 UTC
Oh, the combat on the 15th? Uh.... Ya that is.... Odd, to say the least.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#124 - 2016-01-17 15:24:22 UTC
Nothing odd about it. To no one's great surprise, her loyalties are exactly what they appear to be. I called it a long time ago and as usual these things tend to turn out to be right. I'm just disappointed that the rest of MinMil are going to pay the price as she's alienating allies and fighting for enemies.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#125 - 2016-01-17 15:37:10 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Nothing odd about it. To no one's great surprise, her loyalties are exactly what they appear to be. I called it a long time ago and as usual these things tend to turn out to be right. I'm just disappointed that the rest of MinMil are going to pay the price as she's alienating allies and fighting for enemies.


Obviously I'm not trying to say this as an excuse or anything, but myself I have 6 friendly fire incidents on my record. When I was shot at I didn't exactly look at who was trying to kill my crew. That's the nature of war. The fact she put a combat wing into a situation that would facilitate it doesn't bode well but is it confirmed that was the intent? I know it does look rather bad, I'm not denying that...
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#126 - 2016-01-17 15:54:26 UTC
I have comms record confirmation that it is intentional and deliberate. Not particularly secret either. It was plain speech in public venues.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#127 - 2016-01-17 15:57:50 UTC
Oh.....
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#128 - 2016-01-17 19:28:20 UTC
They shoot us so we shoot them, it is no surprise at all really. I do not for a second deny engaging Gal mil. after many incidents I have started treating them just like other neutrals. Other FCs in the alliance might have a different policy but that is the one I go by.

And if they were allies they wouldn't come to metropolis and slide into our plexes and shoot us to begin with.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#129 - 2016-01-18 01:18:42 UTC
Err, Pyre largely flew very affordable T1 doctrines. Skillfully so, I might add. For all their faults and the fact that I'd seriously consider burning a planet from space if one of them took a dump on it, their combat record is not one of them. They fought well and with good financial sense.

A good display of how skill and good training will let you get a lot of work done in "basic" well fit ships.

And honestly, I have no idea how people manage to be so bloody broke in the TLF. Granted, our LP is worthless as the market is over saturated by far, but it's not like it's hard to make isk in New Eden.

Given that you're effectively in a Pyre-pet alliance, Kalo, your salt at them is kind of funny.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#130 - 2016-01-18 02:03:35 UTC
Kalo Askold wrote:

Perhaps we should do what Pyre did and just spend enough isk and gloat until we are forced to leave the warzone and go towards Gallente lands only to have our 'good' record trashed.


We didn't spend ISK and gloat, we invested it. After all we're still reaping interest to this day.
Rock on, friend! If you click your heels together three times and make a wish (Also, a snappy salute would be preferred), we may return!

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#131 - 2016-01-18 07:07:46 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Kalo Askold wrote:

Perhaps we should do what Pyre did and just spend enough isk and gloat until we are forced to leave the warzone and go towards Gallente lands only to have our 'good' record trashed.


We didn't spend ISK and gloat, we invested it. After all we're still reaping interest to this day.
Rock on, friend! If you click your heels together three times and make a wish (Also, a snappy salute would be preferred), we may return!

Stay out! We don't need your ungodly filth.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#132 - 2016-01-18 07:25:47 UTC
Haha, I don't mind your ungodly filth at all, sometimes I like to get filthy.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#133 - 2016-01-18 08:13:03 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Haha, I don't mind your ungodly filth at all, sometimes I like to get filthy.

EWW.
Minmatars.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#134 - 2016-01-18 10:01:33 UTC
Our people are struggling to prosper, and while 2LC is trying to provide infrastructure, industry and financial security to our allies we have idiots telling us we're doing everything wrong.

We are wrong for raising funds instead of massing into unnecessarily large and inefficient fleets. We are wrong for securing resources and travel routes instead of taking terrible fights. We are wrong for using precision strikes when we are grossly outnumbered. We are wrong for using scanning equipment for its exact purpose. We are wrong for entertaining membership with excursions against various threats or opportunities.

We are wrong because we are not doing it their way, the way they've always done it, the way that's always had mediocre performance and ineffective pressure on the war zone. For too long, it's been the mere economic advantages of surplus military equipment that dictated how much of the war zone we controlled.

They don't get it, they don't get that they don't get it and we do. Serving with the Amarr, I discovered that they're largely run by idiots too, but they're more organized idiots with more money and they have less to disagree about. Shoot the savages, yay God. You see, we are their game, but we fight for our lives, our future as a people. They don't have to be afraid of getting anything wrong. Their society is fine for them, and it will keep on being fine no matter how many systems we take or what tactical decisions their capsuleer military makes.

We're not the ones living in relative comfort and luxury. We're not the ones who get to have slaves do the work for us. We have to make real decisions together and build a society refugees and warriors can thrive in. 2LC, in its very brief time, is accomplishing the framework of a real and cooperative military power that can provide security to the common people. We have become something exterior to the Republic, yet something wholly beneficial to its people.

Please, let's stop fighting among ourselves. Our dear Valentina and the membership of 2LC are prepared to accomplish great things for the Republic, and this incessant negativity towards our cause by a blustering minority with incentive to see us collapse will not dissuade us.

To summarize: Miz shut the hell up. You can't tell us what to do. You have no authority. You clearly don't know how any of this works. It is frankly offensive how you disregard reality to make yourself look like some kind of voice of all the loosely associated PMCs who've freely elected to operate under the Republic flag indefinitely with no commitment. Do you not realize how absurd that is? Do you comprehend how incredibly ridiculous you look when you unprofessionally moan, as someone of no importance to the politics of our own coalition, from an entirely different and barely-affiliated corporation? There's a lot of people tired of the old, stifling attitude your friends and you have developed and you need to get with the times because the times aren't going to get with you.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#135 - 2016-01-18 10:46:21 UTC
Oh you poor thing. That's a whole lot of boo-hoo over the words of someone with "old, stifling attitudes".

To summarize this whole thing: If your position is so pathetically weak that simple words from a few people on a piddly little forum is enough to get you this shaken? Your position is untenable and built on smoke and dreams. Grow up and handle criticism like someone of the Tribes would rather than cry pitiful tears because "bad bad Miz wasn't being nice".

But no, I suppose fighting with Pyre against GalMil is so very very necessary for "our people", traitorous filth.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#136 - 2016-01-18 11:07:00 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Oh you poor thing. That's a whole lot of boo-hoo over the words of someone with "old, stifling attitudes".

To summarize this whole thing: If your position is so pathetically weak that simple words from a few people on a piddly little forum is enough to get you this shaken? Your position is untenable and built on smoke and dreams. Grow up and handle criticism like someone of the Tribes would rather than cry pitiful tears because "bad bad Miz wasn't being nice".

But no, I suppose fighting with Pyre against GalMil is so very very necessary for "our people", traitorous filth.

Aphox is not filth!

Why don't you actually do something? Anything! Undock your ship. Hell, stay docked, you could just be in station doing something. But you don't even do that. You do nothing, at all.

You're broken. You're the reason Amarrians take people like you as slaves. You can do nothing for yourself or anyone else. You are only good for being a slave and nothing more.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#137 - 2016-01-18 12:08:47 UTC
Aphoxema G wrote:
You see, we are their game, but we fight for our lives, our future as a people.


No, you really don't.

Quote:
Our dear Valentina and the membership of 2LC are prepared to accomplish great things for the Republic


After she spent a year doing "great things" for the Empire, and several years doing "great things" for Sansha's Nation.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#138 - 2016-01-18 12:12:16 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
words


Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side?
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#139 - 2016-01-18 13:30:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Maria Daphiti
Samira Kernher wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
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Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side?


Dunno! Does 'Of Questionable Repute' also know Funk AWOXes Minmatar militia members in Hek, as well as ganks recently graduated Pator Tech, Republic University, and Republic Military School students and young Sebiestor and Brutor Tribe members?

Guess they are living up to their name!
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#140 - 2016-01-18 14:38:00 UTC
Maria Daphiti wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
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Sani Sabik make great voices for the Minmatar people. Does Valentina know you blood and eat them on the side?


Dunno! Does 'Of Questionable Repute' also know Funk AWOXes Minmatar militia members in Hek, as well as ganks recently graduated Pator Tech, Republic University, and Republic Military School students and young Sebiestor and Brutor Tribe members?

Guess they are living up to their name!

When has the Gallante, caldari or Amarr millitias not had people who do the same thing? Not saying I support it but let's be honest it's not some unheard of thing in any militia.