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Doug On Nutella
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-12-13 07:49:08 UTC
i see people offtenly post that mining veldspar makes 25 mil avg per hour\

i mined a ret full of veld and the est was like 3mil isk ( 25mins of mining 2 mins of docking undocking )

can someone explain how others making 25mil an hour
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-12-13 09:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarrchecko
Somebody with perfect skills flying a retriever and getting boosted by an orca can probably make that much mining veld with a lot of micromanaging so that they aren't constantly wasting partial cycles of their lasers on nearly-depleted asteroids.

Check out https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mining_Ship_Comparison

A little ways down on that page there is a table that compares the yields of the different mining ships with different boosts. That table assumes excellent or perfect skills though. There's a VERY big difference between flying a boosted exhumer with all t2 mods/crystals and a retriever with only a million SP invested into mining skills.


You shortchanged your isk/hour though I think. A retriever is a minimum of about 23,000m3, and veld sells for like 170+ isk per m3. If you filled the retriever in about 30 minutes, you were making about 8 million isk per hour.
Doug On Nutella
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-12-13 20:10:38 UTC
is this isk for selling ore or turning them into minerals?
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-12-13 21:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarrchecko
Doug On Nutella wrote:
is this isk for selling ore or turning them into minerals?


Well, if you have good refining skills and such then the value after you refine is similar to the ore itself. I was talking about the ore though.

https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=1230

You can sell raw veldspar to buy orders in the right places for almost 190 isk per m3 right now!
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-12-14 00:11:57 UTC
the numbers in that wiki entry are from 2014. ignore them completely.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-12-14 01:35:14 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
the numbers in that wiki entry are from 2014. ignore them completely.


What's wrong with the m3/s calculations? I never said to look at anything else there.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#7 - 2015-12-14 01:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Doug On Nutella wrote:
i see people offtenly post that mining veldspar makes 25 mil avg per hour\

i mined a ret full of veld and the est was like 3mil isk ( 25mins of mining 2 mins of docking undocking )

can someone explain how others making 25mil an hour

It all depends on skills, ship, fitting, refining, boosts, refining vs. compression vs. selling raw ore, etc.

Here's an example of about 24mil an hour on veldspar: http://i.imgur.com/XazR1nq.png Note: it's calculating for three mining ships.

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-12-14 02:41:28 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
the numbers in that wiki entry are from 2014. ignore them completely.


What's wrong with the m3/s calculations? I never said to look at anything else there.


the wiki is so outdated that it's simply not a reliable source for information, even if some parts of it might be correct
Doug On Nutella
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-12-14 15:13:20 UTC
It all depends on skills, ship, fitting, refining, boosts, refining vs. compression vs. selling raw ore, etc.

Here's an example of about 24mil an hour on veldspar: http://i.imgur.com/XazR1nq.png Note: it's calculating for three mining ships.[/quote]



so if i had the same setup in null i could make 50 mil per miner with abc ore?
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#10 - 2015-12-14 21:02:50 UTC
Potentially 40 mil (divide by 3). Those prices are old but in the ballpark. Also if you have rorq boosts it could be more. Again, a lot of factors to consider.

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Doug On Nutella
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-12-16 02:20:12 UTC
also i remember a while back looking into production and most stuff u made with max skills and researed bpo / copies etc it was for a loss if u sold at a trade hub

also thx for earlier replies
Amanda Rekenwhith
Safeties On Red
#12 - 2015-12-18 06:40:50 UTC
If your refine skills aren't up to par, compress your ore. Easier to transport and usually nets 5%-10% over raw. Of course you'd need a POS but a small tower with a compression array would pay for itself over time if you use it. Offline it when you log off and online it before you head out to the belts.

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ahlick Sabezan
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-01-03 04:03:45 UTC
In hisec

1) use the survey scanner every few durations. Same tactic used in wormholes with dscan. know roughly how many units per duration. This way, when you run survey scanner again and you see "1500" units left, and you pull "3000" units you know to roughly stop half way through a duration, or you can move on to another rock.

2) Make sure that your strip miners arent on the same rock. For me, I typically would have one guy mine "veld" and the other mine "condensed veld" or scoridite. having more than one strip miner on a rock can suck up extra time. (my advice changes a little on this point for null sec.

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Nikita Shirakami
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-01-17 18:59:51 UTC
Hello !

I'm new to the game, and usually I'm more into production\mining and so I started mining. The thing is I get a bit disheartened when my corp mates tell me they make twice or triple the isk I make while ratting. I'm only starting out true but down the line does mining become profitable ? Like mining mercoxit etc... with t2 ?

I do have an alt training for PvP, so should I drop my mining skill plan and skill something else like exploring or industry ?


It's really sad because I love mining, reprocessing, calculating profits and supplying the market with materials. I expected mining to pay well because it's the cornerstone of eve, if no one mines there's no materials and no one can make ships for the pvp guys to blow...
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-01-17 21:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Nikita Shirakami wrote:
Hello !

I'm new to the game, and usually I'm more into production\mining and so I started mining. The thing is I get a bit disheartened when my corp mates tell me they make twice or triple the isk I make while ratting. I'm only starting out true but down the line does mining become profitable ? Like mining mercoxit etc... with t2 ?

I do have an alt training for PvP, so should I drop my mining skill plan and skill something else like exploring or industry ?


It's really sad because I love mining, reprocessing, calculating profits and supplying the market with materials. I expected mining to pay well because it's the cornerstone of eve, if no one mines there's no materials and no one can make ships for the pvp guys to blow...


If you want to do production, buy minerals from the market and use them for production. If you want to mine, mine.

Mining, in general, is one of the poorest earners relative to the time utilized. In turn, it has a low skill threshold and can be done while half asleep.

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Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#16 - 2016-01-17 22:07:25 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Mining, in general, is one of the poorest earners relative to the time utilized. In turn, it has a low skill threshold and can be done while half asleep.


Yes and not. Mining is the only activity that you just have to undock and start making money.

Every other activity with a better payout needs a some preparation before that just pull down the real isk/hour
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#17 - 2016-01-17 23:30:32 UTC
Papa Django wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Mining, in general, is one of the poorest earners relative to the time utilized. In turn, it has a low skill threshold and can be done while half asleep.


Yes and not. Mining is the only activity that you just have to undock and start making money.

Every other activity with a better payout needs a some preparation before that just pull down the real isk/hour


Eh exploration doesn't really need any preparation, but it is far more hit or miss.

One of the main advantages of mining is how well it scales with multiple toons.