EVE General Discussion

Fair enough. I don't want to hash through detailed numbers

But, it is plainly clear to see that the number of accounts per player have not dropped and definitely didn't "plunge" correct?

Are you willing to admit that on its face, the graph shows that alts are not being eliminated in mass?
Are you willing to admit that upper and lower bounds for the 2015 calculation of average accounts has absolutely nothing to do with the calculation of previous years?

What are you even trying to argue at this point?

You are forgetting one thing Aires, these numbers are not about the PCU count. At what rate the alts influence it is so speculative that you and anyone here will have no right to claim it as believable. I only posted my opinion, there were some misconceptions about dates, even more nonsensical speculations could emerge. Its better to stop it because it leads nowhere really.

They've never been above — or even close to — 70k, so no.

Pay Tippi no mind. He finds things to argue about when he feels his number one spot as most prolific poster is in doubt. He'll bang out a few hundred nonsensical posts and then disappear again.

Best to simply not respond to him as arguing with him is like banging your head with a brick. It only feels good when you stop.

Mr Epeen

Meh, the spikes may have been huge, but I remember, average was something else. In 2011 there were times when there were 20, 30 k, when I played, Those were usual numbers, I didnt considered them low. There was guy who mined in 20+ mining vessels and he was ganked by goons for laughs. You were not able to log in into Jita, so many scammers there were.

I think it's been mentioned a few times in this thread, both as a reason to explain why players are leaving (decline will continue unless CCP make Eve F2P) and to refute that same argument, by suggesting that just affects logons not subscriptions.

It will be interesting to compare PCU numbers against last year and these current months, after the Tribute system is introduced. That's almost the first permanent feature being added to the game designed specifically to reward people that login more than people that skill queue.

WoW and Eve are the same age.

WoW went from 7.1 Million average subscribers to 5.2million average subscribers in 12 months

Eve went from 28k average users online to 21k average users online in 12 months

We don't know the exact subscriber numbers of Eve, but just judging off their respective drops its 26% for WoW and 25% for Eve

So, WoW does suck, but if you want to make the point that Eve is dying faster than WoW, you can't really say that.

Addiction is something developers and producers want from game these days and they try to make it as addictive as they can, especiallly with those free to play games, and if the FTP game looks simpler, it is usually more addictive. There is even discusion how far you can go with game being addictive, and really, its something that is not really about EVE.
It always waits there, not imposing anything on me, and i love it because of that.

Other games feel like overly attached girlfrend from this meme.

The amount of alts per person has not dropped. The thing is this says nothing about if they are online. The PCU registers the amount of people online and the ACU is the average of the PCUs. The change CCP did to input broadcasting could lead to less accounts being online at one time, and perhaps on for shorter times. we simply do not know. This would show up as lower PCU number, and also affect the ACU. So the shown decline could also just be that people log on less accounts even if they pay for them. This was probably what remiel was talking about.

This is the main problem when interpreting on the stats from eveoffline. There could be so many different reason behind a drop in these stats.

As the PCU is measured continuosly it also mean the time you are online affects this stat. So for example If everyone suddenly starts playing 2 hours instead of the 4 they usually would, the PCU would drop (-1 PCU for each player doing this in the two hours extra they would have played normally), and so would the ACU. So when people interpret this as other people quitting it could just as well, be that people play for less hours per day, with less accounts active at a given time point, but they are still paying for all theirs accounts. Hence PCU and ACU are not measures of the overall amount subscribed accounts.


So be aware of putting too much interpretation into PCU and ACU.

Meanwhile, in other news, in a certain game which obviously is not EVE Online and doesn't competes with it and yadda yadda yadda, explorers have discovered alien structures.

Alien. Structures. Have been discovered by explorers actually exploring star systems and planets.

There's many things EVE does well, and others it does bad. But watch out the competitors. They're doing what EVE never did and never will.