Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You mean that without local they could not project threat. Sure. That's just one small issue in a much larger problem, and a stupid solution in any case. Kind of like removing the light bulb from a warning light and calling the problem fixed.

Just because you are not aware of it, that does not mean the threat isn't there. AFK cloaking is a symptom. The problem being that cloaks offer too much range of ability for their safety. Since the safety is inviolate, the range of activity needs to be reduced to an appropriate level.

As the safety is in fact higher than that offered by a station, then the range of action must be quite limited in deed.

Oh Mike. The highsec is strong in this one. Let me help you out:

at risk when warping to a gate: granted, not so much. But you can definitely take them on the other side! That said, not everybody has a bookmark off the gate, and bouncing to a celestial is the oldest trick in the book. Those directions may very well have a permanent dragbubble and decloaking cans (or a mobile depot LOL) anchored. The proficient player will cap himself out and get close enough for a DScan, but at some point he'll want to warp to the gate and go through it.

at risk when jumping through a gate? Hell yeah! You bubble his assss---rear end- and a frig can get a good decloak on them like 80% of the time. Possibly more, but that's accounting for him burning out of your bubble or landing at a favourable location. To do this, have your Stiletto / Daredevil / whatever you use sit aboven or below the gatestructure, MWD primed, and burn as soon as he loses his gatecloak. Other tactics, such as a couple drone carriers spread out at several km from the gate also work. And dropping cans.

At risk when warping to an object? Same rules as for a gate apply, but it gets better:

in a belt, it may be very hard to get close enough without getting decloaked by asteroids / rats. Especially with gimped velocity under cloak.

in a complex, it get even better: people tend to drop their MTU or a can where you come out of the acceleration gate. This is a fixed location you cannot circumvent by warping from other directions or at range, therefore the decloak is guaranteed.



Briefly put: you forgot to account for DICs and dragbubbles. Every time you can "force" the inbound location and anchor a can, you have defeated the cloak. Every time you prevent a cloaker from warping off straight away, you have a chance to manually decloak him. All the bubbles man.

Typo? Hardly.

In either case you are absolutely safe so long as you don't leave that spot. So safety is equal.

Station has a known location, it's on the overview in fact. It pops you out in a known spot. Which means you can be camped when you leave it. The same is not true of a cloak. So safety is greater from a cloaked position.

In Sov Null, stations can change hands. Nothing can affect your cloaked safe position. Safety of cloaked position even more safe than station. Yes, this takes longer than a single one on one battle, but with the cloak it's not possible at all.

So yeah, cloaks are safer than a station. Your range of activity should be limited to match it.

Typo? Hardly.

In either case you are absolutely safe so long as you don't leave that spot. So safety is equal.

Station has a known location, it's on the overview in fact. It pops you out in a known spot. Which means you can be camped when you leave it. The same is not true of a cloak. So safety is greater from a cloaked position.

In Sov Null, stations can change hands. Nothing can affect your cloaked safe position. Safety of cloaked position even more safe than station. Yes, this takes longer than a single one on one battle, but with the cloak it's not possible at all.

So yeah, cloaks are safer than a station. Your range of activity should be limited to match it.

Yep, same with me down in Period Basis. I had a jump clone too. Would pop in from time-to-time just of mess with KIA Alliance. Eventually sold all my stuff to guys who were, at that time read to me, even recall selling my last ship a ratting ishtar. Sold it too a Goon, had some issues with some damaged drones so had to repackage it and lost the rigs, so we renegotiated the price...he was very cool about it all.

Ironically after we joined up with TEST, Goons, et. al. we took that station back...but alas I had nothing left there.

So, I am fine with admitting sitting at a secret safe with a cloak on is as safe as a station. Everything else entails at least some risk. Careful piloting can mitigate some and even much of it, but there is still risk.

I would say it's as near equal as to not be worth arguing over, when they are at a secret safe. Equal that is, not higher. As you yourself just back peddled to. But we've already established CCP are fine with that. Working as intended, as they say.

But I see you're doing your normal trick of including arguments that back your assertion, but ignoring the equivalent ones on the opposing side. Dishonest much?

Oh and just a heads up. When I was in MASS, we owned a region for a time. I had quite a few items in our main station down there. Time past and we lost it. I had items and ships down there for years and a jump clone. I didn't lose one ship in all that time and in fact, sold many of the items in the station to players red to myself, whilst I was down there in the clone. This was when I was in the united.

Guys guys it's OK, I coped with the risk. But I was permanently scared I was going to get my boat violenced by Scotty the docking manager. fnar fnar

I have read alot of what game mechanic does afk cloakers use against you.

Well, i see it this way. He/she use the cloak mechanic itself while he/she is afk. And that directly has a impact with other players ingame.
But thats fine, he cant do nothing, but still he use a game mechanic that interacts with other players. Harm or no harm.

But why not add a couple of mechanics the cloaker have to deal with to gain a stable cloak.
I mean countermeasures the cloaker have to deal with to sustain hes/shes stable cloak, like a network of cloak inhibitors.
In that way you force the cloaker to use game mechanics to shoot and destroy this inhibitors to gain a stable cloak in certain areas.

This cloak inhibitor can work together with grids or AU range.

i dont care about the local chat, keep it or remove it.

Its not balanced as it is now.

Thing is that if the cloaky is an Active player he should have the option to restart his cloak without detection, with a timer.
Sry i did´nt sort that out.

The inhibitors can have a setting to have a chanse at decloak a player in x amount of cycletime.
The probe/module or deployable should´nt be 100% effective

There have to be a risk being a afk cloaky to set things in a balanced shape.

Changing cloak mechanics is to limit the effects of afk cloaky camping on a number of players far larger than those that habitually use cloaked ships.