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hellyeaz
Systems High Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#41 - 2016-01-15 14:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: hellyeaz
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
shootyou longtyme wrote:
one of us

one of us does not know sarcasm, keep looking through your rear view mirror ( local ), the op now has the means for payback Cool


Everyone in a gankers local chat has the means, and ability for payback. What did i miss?


Sorry, i forgot post on main and all What?

Edit. Should i even be responding to Nitshe? I have not been vaccinated yet.
Leeroy Banner
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2016-01-15 14:38:59 UTC
extra salty....how i like itRoll
Nitshe Razvedka
#43 - 2016-01-15 16:08:18 UTC
hellyeaz wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
shootyou longtyme wrote:
one of us

one of us does not know sarcasm, keep looking through your rear view mirror ( local ), the op now has the means for payback Cool


Everyone in a gankers local chat has the means, and ability for payback. What did i miss?


Sorry, i forgot post on main and all What?

Edit. Should i even be responding to Nitshe? I have not been vaccinated yet.

Anarchist gankers trying to instruct others on their laws.......maybe your grandparents were brother and sister and I should take pitty on the flaws in your DNA.

No one cares about YOUR laws or whiney complaints. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQhX8PbNUWI

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2016-01-15 16:18:32 UTC
Ozzie Udan wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
God this again? This is the third one of these in as many days.

Op, read the ganking threads. Don't repost this nonsense without having a different take on things or something worth a whole new discussion.

Oh and also, as a business model no one is going to be too amiable to protecting your interests for "what ever I can afford" when in the previous breath you say that you can't afford much and after a year and with mining alts 100s of millions is a lot of money.


The guy wanted help this is C&P so his thinking went " oh lets find a merc of some type", if the right people made a reply instead
of the likes of Lament von Gankenheim and his cronies all would be fine

Op remember what these guys are like and very wise to post with an alt, there are many good people out there in space , not all want to play the low life scum bag ass hat ,


5 min of reading before posting a rant would have saved the OP from recreation of the wheel. And honestly, the recent "Open Letter" and "Discussing Ganking" threads have been both amusing and fairly productive once the emotional hurfing died off. I for one would truly welcome civil debate over the causes and the solutions for HiSec space.

Both sides see a problem, not the same problems for sure, but issues that are rooted in the same cause. If smart, literate, and more importantly wise people could have a dispassionate discussion it would be a nice change.

But these daily repetitions of the thread of tears has gotten very old when they follow the same damn script day in and out.

1. Write a tear filled whine of CCP to fix my problem about being space abused. Sometimes couched in the figure of discussion sometimes not.
2. Obligatory button pushed by the ganking party. Also typically post on main or gtfo
3. Shouting and name calling to varried degrees
4. Reference to actual CCP rules and responses to HiSec Interactions
5. Typically the OP melts away under the realization that the rules and mechanics are against them.

So when the thread keeps cropping up a tiny part of me wishes sooner or later someone would rise up to educate and direct hisec so that the C&P forum can go back to bragging and lieing instead of being an educational resource for the new and the lazy.

I mean sheesh read two posts in this forum and you would know that C&P is NOT the place to start an open thread as a "victim" of space violence. As stated earlier, it is blood in the water.
Caesar Jaynara
Doomheim
#45 - 2016-01-15 16:37:24 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Ozzie Udan wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
God this again? This is the third one of these in as many days.

Op, read the ganking threads. Don't repost this nonsense without having a different take on things or something worth a whole new discussion.

Oh and also, as a business model no one is going to be too amiable to protecting your interests for "what ever I can afford" when in the previous breath you say that you can't afford much and after a year and with mining alts 100s of millions is a lot of money.


The guy wanted help this is C&P so his thinking went " oh lets find a merc of some type", if the right people made a reply instead
of the likes of Lament von Gankenheim and his cronies all would be fine

Op remember what these guys are like and very wise to post with an alt, there are many good people out there in space , not all want to play the low life scum bag ass hat ,


5 min of reading before posting a rant would have saved the OP from recreation of the wheel. And honestly, the recent "Open Letter" and "Discussing Ganking" threads have been both amusing and fairly productive once the emotional hurfing died off. I for one would truly welcome civil debate over the causes and the solutions for HiSec space.

Both sides see a problem, not the same problems for sure, but issues that are rooted in the same cause. If smart, literate, and more importantly wise people could have a dispassionate discussion it would be a nice change.

But these daily repetitions of the thread of tears has gotten very old when they follow the same damn script day in and out.

1. Write a tear filled whine of CCP to fix my problem about being space abused. Sometimes couched in the figure of discussion sometimes not.
2. Obligatory button pushed by the ganking party. Also typically post on main or gtfo
3. Shouting and name calling to varried degrees
4. Reference to actual CCP rules and responses to HiSec Interactions
5. Typically the OP melts away under the realization that the rules and mechanics are against them.

So when the thread keeps cropping up a tiny part of me wishes sooner or later someone would rise up to educate and direct hisec so that the C&P forum can go back to bragging and lieing instead of being an educational resource for the new and the lazy.

I mean sheesh read two posts in this forum and you would know that C&P is NOT the place to start an open thread as a "victim" of space violence. As stated earlier, it is blood in the water.


Like Ozzie said, I came here searching for help to kill some players that I thought were much stronger than myself. I have been told that C&P is a good place to hire mercs.
I did find help, not the help i wanted, but maybe the help i needed.

Thanks again to everyone. I did learn more last night from this forum and the ingame mails, more than an entire year of hisec solo mining. I really did not realize that EvE had such an active RP and PVP community in hisec. I thought I played a different game than you vets in null space. I did not even have Local chat open by default, just the browser and isk making 'guides'.

Froggy was right about it being easy to find much info on the matter, here and on player blogs. There was a lot of it pointed out to me last night. Ugh
Froggy however seems to be a bit mad, almost teary about the fact that I posted here. Did i do that? Lol
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2016-01-15 16:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Froggy Storm
Perhaps I too can take some account of my own frustration. I admit and accept my open salty tears for the individuals who insist on throwing chum in the water.

And maybe I should actually be the change I wish to see. With my own TMC platforn and contacts maybe I should try to invite and host a real forum discussion on the cause and solutions of hisec ganking.
Wuzu
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2016-01-15 17:05:48 UTC
Caesar Jaynara wrote:
i know you guys like to post on your mains here, but screw that. i have only been playing my main for right at a year, and i just cannot defend against the players i want killed.

i hope this is ok, i think i am allowed to post the corp name i want to bounty. the reason i want them killed is due to just a few of their members, but those few are some of the most dishonorable people in EvE. if they are not ganking you in hisec, right under CONCORD's nose, then they are scamming you out of what little isk you have not invested in your ship. good job protecting newer players. Roll

like i said, i am a newer player, not a vet like these people. i cannot pay 100's of millions of isk on killmail bounties, but if you can catch them and maybe kill one or 2 of them, i will do everything in my power to send you what i can afford. i have reasd enough to know that placing a bounty on them in game is just a waste of isk, as the payout is some measly percentage of the ship they are killed in. i would rather personally pay the pilot responsible for their ingame murdering. Big smile
i am sure there are others like me that would pay even more for some good old fashioned revenge. Twisted

i am sorry i cannot post from my main, but i am just a hisec industrialist with no intention of showing my bare ass to the bull.

so this is the corp: Systems High Guard

they are mostly in nullsec from what i can find on Zkillboard, but at least 3 or 4 of them hang out in hisec icebelts and gank defenseless ships. i still dont understand how some people justify this hisec ganking, but i guess i am not some bored bittervet that RP's the 'bad guy' rather than roll your sleves up and do something meaningful in game.


any help will be very appreciated. when i am a stroger player i will try to return the favor to another new player. maybe that player wont have to experience the feeling of defenselessness i have just because they are a new player.


sorry there is not more information, i am really kind of afraid to link killboards and names after reading the forum rules.



i will answer any ingame mails on this character with more information on the players i want killed.



Meaningful in the game? That statement seems oxymoronic to me. I say that because what is meaningful? The ice you mine? The isk you make from selling it? I would know nothing about it; it would not add to my context, it does not add content and lacks in meaning when looked at holistically. Understanding it does to you personally, of course, but your charge was for the game writ large.

On the other hand, the attack you came under, your rage, your attachment to the ships you lost these things have prompted you to respond, to seek help, to air your grievance, to suffer under the lash of the oppressor. I would postulate in so doing you clearly stated where “meaningful” resided to you, and it is not in the ice fields. While I do not agree with the motives or methods of your attackers I do believe that to say they were not doing anything meaningful can only be taken as a manifestation of your anger when compared to the activities where you believe meaning lays.

I believe also, that soliciting the help of others to “murder” is a slippery slope for you here. One does not throw fuel on a fire in an effort to have the fire abate. I would postulate that your action will have the unintended consequence of both delighting and strengthening the resolve of those that seek to oppress you. Certainly this is not the state of affairs that you wish to engineer although at this point the die appears to have already been cast, so for the readers of this, consider it not applicable but cautionary.

A more pragmatic response would, of course, involve direct action. You may not be able to successfully mount a pvp campaign against your oppressor; however, your options for retaliation only begin there. You could:

-Target starve them – they shoot at you to relive their suffering, deny them that relief by simply not being there.
- You could exercise passive resistance – my preferred methodology.
- You could tank your ships in such a way as to make their actions futile or overly costly. A common misconception is that people that gank do not value their ships, this is inaccurate. Their fear of loss is as great as yours if not greater, they are simply keeping score in a different manner.

Release yourself from your attachment and you will find that you can fight, not by the rules of the oppressor but by your own, and your fight will be glorious indeed.

Namaste’
Wuzu of the NoN Sangha
http://nondojo.blogspot.com
Redemption Anetto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2016-01-15 17:13:56 UTC
Caesar Jaynara

Join us, together we can rule New Eden, together we can educate the masses, together we can not be stopped.


one of us!
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#49 - 2016-01-15 17:21:42 UTC
*puts on the hamster suit*

Posers.

Pirate

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#50 - 2016-01-15 18:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
Caesar Jaynara wrote:


You had that same condesending attitude when we spoke about the mining permit. You will not get any isk or respect from me. I have seen your killboard, no honor there.

I actually think your CEO is a normal person, we spoke in game for a moment. You, on the other hand, i dont think i can ever respect. PvP is one thing, i dont do it, but i can respect it. But hisec podding really shows your true colors.

On a better note, i have had some positive imput ingame from some normal players. I will be persuing this further, now that i have contacts that are not afraid to shoot at you and your corp.

Surely a wardec or three will help you understand my position on the matter



Perhaps a dictionary or ten will help you understand the game's position on the matter, anonymous NPC posting alt.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#51 - 2016-01-15 18:31:33 UTC
OP, I 100% understand and can help. To start, please fill out this form and return it to me ASAP.
Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2016-01-15 19:23:09 UTC
get rekt miner
Nitshe Razvedka
#53 - 2016-01-15 19:31:21 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Caesar Jaynara wrote:


You had that same condesending attitude when we spoke about the mining permit. You will not get any isk or respect from me. I have seen your killboard, no honor there.

I actually think your CEO is a normal person, we spoke in game for a moment. You, on the other hand, i dont think i can ever respect. PvP is one thing, i dont do it, but i can respect it. But hisec podding really shows your true colors.

On a better note, i have had some positive imput ingame from some normal players. I will be persuing this further, now that i have contacts that are not afraid to shoot at you and your corp.

Surely a wardec or three will help you understand my position on the matter



Perhaps a dictionary or ten will help you understand the game's position on the matter, anonymous NPC posting alt.

After that mr whippy post the other day the bar has been slipping.

Dictionary?? For definitions of words??? Maybe guide, wiki, or forums.

Get on your game Mr FK.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Sala Kyss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2016-01-15 19:32:33 UTC
'Do something meaningful in game'
'Pay ccp every month to sit grinding asteroids into pitiful amounts of isk'

Choose one.
Nitshe Razvedka
#55 - 2016-01-15 22:35:52 UTC
Sala Kyss wrote:
'Do something meaningful in game'
'Pay ccp every month to sit grinding asteroids into pitiful amounts of isk'

Choose one.


#Do something meaningful in game

#Pay ccp every month and pretend tobe a pirate saying a-harrr a lot

choose one

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2016-01-16 00:11:13 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Sala Kyss wrote:
'Do something meaningful in game'
'Pay ccp every month to sit grinding asteroids into pitiful amounts of isk'

Choose one.


#Do something meaningful in game

#Pay ccp every month and pretend tobe a pirate saying a-harrr a lot

choose one


1. Do something meaningful in game

2. Pay ccp every month and go on forums complaining about pirates and ganking

choose one
Mara A'more
Doomheim
#57 - 2016-01-16 00:57:41 UTC
We don't Gank!
we just give away FreeVoid S ammo
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#58 - 2016-01-16 01:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobadder Thworst
When I play and shoot stuff I ALWAYS get my $15 worth of laughs.

I have yet to encounter this "meaningful" of which you speak.
Caesar Jaynara
Doomheim
#59 - 2016-01-16 03:24:42 UTC
Since this post is still open i will leave an update, then i am off to play my new combat character. Thanks for all the advice guys. I now have a character that can point and web any criminals in hisec.

I will see you good Samaritans on the field. Big smile there will be time for formal introductions with my combat pilot later.
Goodbye all

How do you get these posts locked in C&P?
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#60 - 2016-01-16 04:17:31 UTC
One of Nitsche's CCP alts can do it. You just ask, they are always listening.