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Top Ships Used in Lv4 Security Missions

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1 - 2016-01-13 23:36:18 UTC
Reposted from CCP_Quant on Reddit.

http://imgur.com/yBtgnvC
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/40srdh/top_ships_used_in_security_missions/

I decided to delve into the data a bit and just focus on Lv4 Security missions.

Top 10 Lv4 Security Ships
Tengu, Raven Navy Issue, Rattlesnake, Golem, Dominix, Machariel, Paladin, Raven, Gila, Vargur
• Excluded the Noctis (#5)

Top Lv4 Marauders:
Golem (#4), Paladin (#8), Vargur (#11), Kronos (#13)

Top Lv4 Pirate Battleships:
Rattlesnake (#3), Machariel (#7), Nightmare (#17), Barghest (#18), Vindicator (#39), Bhaalgorn (#130), Nestor (#135)

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-01-13 23:53:34 UTC
Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null?

Caldari master race for 3's/4's?

Also tristan representation in lvl 5's. Yes.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2016-01-14 00:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null?

I couldn't say to be certain, but it's quite easy to top out 800 DPS - and the Tegnu has a high inherent kinetic and thermal resistance which makes it practical for most missions.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2016-01-14 00:53:35 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null?

Caldari master race for 3's/4's?

Also tristan representation in lvl 5's. Yes.


Keep in mind that most numerous does not mean "best". For L4 missions, the Tengu is relatively easy to use since it can apply exactly the right damage type, while having either a decent size T2/faction buffer tank or a hefty deadspace/officer active tank, and warps quickly to boot.

The incremental effort required to set up and fly a "better" ship such as a CNR, Machariel, Nightmare, etc, may not be worth it to the folks who just like flying their Tengu. Battleships feel fat and slow compared to a T3 cruiser.

It may also be the case that you can get "good enough" in a Tengu for a lot less SP than are required to be "good enough" in a battleship. Sure, I can deal 1400 DPS in a CNR compared to 750 in the Tengu, but I pay for that DPS in slow-as-molasses warping and sublight movement. Thus the "making ISK by shooting things" alt can be producing a decent amount of ISK without spending valuable time on training.

When it comes to "vegging out" in front of EVE as a substitute for watching The Bold and the Restless with the other half, the Tengu is just easier to cope with (in this pilot's opinion).

For (hisec mission runners like) me, "levelling my tengu" is less frustrating than "levelling my raven."
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2016-01-14 01:10:57 UTC
I didn't see any indication of time, if this is for all time it makes plenty of sense for Tengu, as it was much more common to use before they nerfed HMLs.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#6 - 2016-01-14 01:24:10 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I didn't see any indication of time, if this is for all time it makes plenty of sense for Tengu, as it was much more common to use before they nerfed HMLs.

I seem to recall one of the comments that indicated it was in the past week.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-01-14 01:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I didn't see any indication of time, if this is for all time it makes plenty of sense for Tengu, as it was much more common to use before they nerfed HMLs.

I seem to recall one of the comments that indicated it was in the past week.
This one seems to confirm that.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#8 - 2016-01-14 01:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
All things considered the Tengu is not a bad mission ship. HMLs are a bit low on dps and really constrained to one damage type realistically but nice range, good application make it perfectly serviceable (like missionary). The HAM one is rather interesting though I think as it has what I feel approaches respectable dps, great application, just bad range. That said I am surprised the Mach is so low considering it has same warp speed (with rigs) higher DPS than even hams, better range than hams and generally all round better than the Tengu. The Barghest really deserves to move up a few slots too.

This does however explain how I don't think we'll ever have to worry about people farming SOE LP into the ground. People are just too comfortable with what they're flying and most (not all thank god) are not willing to put in the extra effort to make the most of their time. Very interesting stuff.

Edit: Oh and interesting fact, Machariel has a faster sublight speed than Tengu too, if only ever so slightly. I find that amusing.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2016-01-14 04:51:58 UTC
I found it just bizarre that the Bhaalgorn was used more than the Nestor...

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2016-01-14 04:56:00 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I found it just bizarre that the Bhaalgorn was used more than the Nestor...


At #135 does not seem the Nestor really gets used at all.

Maybe it is just two guys spider tanking in Khanid lowsec.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#11 - 2016-01-14 05:19:16 UTC
This makes me wonder how many people are still using Drakes as salvage boats after all this time.

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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#12 - 2016-01-14 09:04:12 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Also tristan representation in lvl 5's. Yes.

I believe there are some joke missions like alluring emanations actually having level 5 counterpart which is the same as low level one at everything but reward.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#13 - 2016-01-14 09:47:28 UTC
Tengu ftw

I thought tengus in lvl 5's was old news, i may switch to using that

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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#14 - 2016-01-14 19:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Apol
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Is the tengu's place in part because of mission running in NPC null?

I couldn't say to be certain, but it's quite easy to top out 800 DPS


With some +6 implants a HAMgu can do 1055 dps to 45km or 700dps to 80km with a single scripted guidance computer and T2 fuel rig.

Personally I fly it from time to time without those implants and still get 936/625 at slightly shorter ranges but with some sensible flying your always able to keep something in range of your highest DPS. It's more effort than an HMLgu but sooo much faster and the great application of it's DPS puts it on a par with a lot of the battleship sized mission running ships (also no worrying about bastion cycles or MJD angles).

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#15 - 2016-01-14 19:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
One note of clarification here, Quant's numbers are for mission deadspace ENTRY, not just use. That means that a lot of ships in this Data set aren't running missions at all.

That's why there are odd ships in some cases. No one runs level 5 missions in Tristans lol but Tristans are used among other ships to attack lvl 5 mission runners. It's also why the Noctis is listed, if a Noctis enters a mission site before the mission is turned in, it appears in Quants Data. If the mission is already turned in and the Noctis warps to a bookmark for the wrecks, it does not appear in the Data.

Some of those Tengus going in to lvl 4 missions are hunters looking for kills in null and low sec lvl 4 missions. But yea, the Tengu is THE go-to null mission boat still.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#16 - 2016-01-14 19:53:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Jenn aSide wrote:
One note of clarification here, Quant's numbers are for mission deadspace ENTRY, not just use. That means that a lot of ships in this Data set aren't running missions at all.

That's why there are odd ships in some cases. No one runs level 5 missions in Tristans lol but Tristans are used among other ships to attack lvl 5 mission runners. It's also why the Noctis is listed, if a Noctis enters a mission site before the mission is turned in, it appears in Quants Data. If the mission is already turned in and the Noctis warps to a bookmark for the wrecks, it does not appear in the Data.

Some of those Tengus going in to lvl 4 missions are hunters looking for kills in null and low sec lvl 4 missions. But yea, the Tengu is THE go-to null mission boat still.


Edit:

Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I found it just bizarre that the Bhaalgorn was used more than the Nestor...


Bhaalgorns are used to neut out Carriers in lvl5s and Marauders in 4s and 5s in low and null. Nestors don't get much use outside of incursions and wormholes I think.

Edit2, meant to edit, ended up quoting. But you get the idea lol.
Voxinian
#17 - 2016-01-15 02:35:39 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
I can deal 1400 DPS in a CNR compared to 750 in the Tengu, but I pay for that DPS in slow-as-molasses warping and sublight movement. Thus the "making ISK by shooting things" alt can be producing a decent amount of ISK without spending valuable time on training.
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Hmm, a sniping BS with MJD and MWD should be faster in L4s then a Tengu is you do it right.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2016-01-15 04:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Mara Rinn wrote:
Sure, I can deal 1400 DPS in a CNR compared to 750 in the Tengu, but I pay for that DPS in slow-as-molasses warping and sublight movement.

I assume the 1400 DPS fit is torpedo-based?

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#19 - 2016-01-15 15:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
Tengu is on there because they are counting DED combat sites.

EDIT: Also, if you look at those numbers, it kind of confirms that blitzing missions to get 100+mil and hour is a niche activity.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#20 - 2016-01-15 15:32:24 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Tengu is on there because they are counting DED combat sites.


Erm, no they aren't. The graphs and the raw data say "security missions level 1-5". In previous data dumps DED plexes are listed differently.

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