Crime & Punishment

Mag's.

You should know better by now.

Never try and talk to the self-entitled idiots of the current generation.

Just kill them.

You'll feel better, and they will rage-quit and go back to WoW.

They'll also post crap on their non-existent blogs about how EVE is so, so horrible.

One wonders why the self-entitled scum bother to play a game like EVE, which makes no bones about what its about, but again, its pointless to try and understand stupid people.

And to OP:

Nobody cares if English is your second, third, or fourth language. Nobody cares if you are dyslexic, blind, or have a terminal case of syphilis.

Nobody.

Cares.

finally, someone who understands that I am not trying to force CCP to change things but for people to come together in-game in order to combat CODE.

then show me.

To address the counter points in order.

1.1 If you have any question on CCP position on Code activities and direction there is a stucky thread here that explicitly states CCP acknowledging that Code does indeed have the right by force of arms to effect gameplay of others.
1.2 A simple typo in this case. Game play vs fame play. Though there is much appeal to emotion and sensationalism in your original posting that puts your tone at odds with your explanation.
1.3 Please see 1.1 Your argument is admittedly taintwd by those who have come before you. And I concede the point that you have not claimed to be directly hurt by code. There is that implication and your seemingly emotional denial does cloud the issue.

2.1 Same as before in 1.1 CCP, who control the game have said they want new eden controlled by the actions and decisions of players and not by GM fiat. To that end CCP have created their sandbox to be full of as much nonconsentual game play as we the players can devise.
2.2 As I said 1.1 covers both CCP and my own acknowledging that your arguments are being maligned by so many of the same before you.
2.3 Your post does have one line of appeal to players, however it has been couched deeply in the tired rhetoric of those who beg ccp for just one more nerf.

3.1 My analogy bows before yours. Yes you are running to the teacher and stamping your foot. Yes the teacher has told you that if you want to play on the football pitch the players there have no obligation to stear clear of you and infact will forcibly include you. That is a much better metaphor for your situation I agree.

4.1 Clearly you are new here. This is the C&P forum. This is where code and other nerd-do-wells (intentional play on words) come to boast and tell each other stories about how "big a bully" we/they are. Before climbing on a horse to make a space speech check which forum you are in. So your appeal to emotion is not going to fly here.
4.2 Sigh see 1.1 and 1.2

5.1 Again I concede the point that your initial posting is a first step towards rallying others. Though a tiny bit of research on your parr would have been enough to see that your messaging is way better saved for a different audience and venue than C&P.

All that should be sufficient to acknowledge and direct where I feel that your discussion is off point and in meed of rebuttal.

Wether my point has been tainted by those that came before me does show the outcry that present against CODE.'s conduct in this manner.
As to why I tend to use more bombastic wording in the innitial pitch, it's to first put the focus on the matter, and then clarify any inconsistencies. The problem here is that most people don't bother to read what is actually being written, but immidiately jump to the conclusion that it is merely another rant by someone who has been wronged by CODE.'s actions.
And as I stated numerous times, CCP's inaction is clear in this discussion, and I do not want to retread the same old discussions; what I am after is to counter them on their own grounds, and provide protection to the people who are just doing their business. Making a counteroffensive against CODE. will also bring more attention to zones where they are active so people will be less inclined to simply venture into it, and CODE. will have to be wary of losing their ships before they can succesfully gank.

And if my innitial declaration was not clear, then that was my fault, but I do really mean to rally people to counter against them.
I am positive that if players actually came together and opposed them at every turn CODE. would either see reason, or bleed to death. Either way, a lot less CODE. Activity.

You said you would like CCP to disallow code, you're only trying to rally people because you know what you're REALLY trying to do (have CCP nerf ganking) will never happen.

There's no need to go on a counter offensive. If people just payed attention to the game while playing, CODE would get no kills, get bored and move on to something else. That being said, people will never stop AFK-ing when playing EVE.

I dont get it.

First off, Code fights armed ships a plenty. I wouldnt call that cowardice.

Secondly, Highsec is already safe enough.

Your problem with Code seems to stem off of the fact that highsec haulers and miners are lazy and entitled. Thomas En Chasteaux, a prominent anti-ganker said it best:
"We are outnumbered, so many freighters perish, but when so many overload themselves, and use modules that hurt their chances of survival, it is not us who failed, by the freighters themselves" - Thomas En Chasteaux

Ganking is a valid mechanic in eve. You are essentially calling someone a genocidal murderer for playing Dota and racking up hundreds, if not thousands of kills. You are essentially calling someone a nazi sympathizer for being placed on the German team in a Call of duty multiplayer game. And yet, only an idiot would do that.

You are certainly free to band together and fight against Code or ganking in general. Infact, im sure most of the gankers would welcome the opposition. But you sound as crazy as the people who were trying to get Call of Duty banned because they believed it promoted hatred and led to real-life shootings and turning a generation of children into homicidal maniacs.

There are probably a bunch of EVE devs in CODE.

Your whining and whimpering about being ganked is just giving them a hard on.

Doubtful, IIRC devs are explicitly forbidden to partake in the darker sides of Eve.

first things first: I never called anyone out on their spelling.
CODE's own member named themselves pedophiles, I mere used the word, rather than simply insinuate it.
and telling people to "**** off" just goes to tell people the measure of incentive within it.

If CODE. wants us to mobilise, then they are free to provide ample ships and ammunition, or just leave us be. But their Catch.22 is not applicable.

I oppose Code. and I think more people should.
Stagnation is one thing, deliberate racketeering is another. Here's the thing though; what CODE. has introduced into high-sec is something that has been going on for ages in Null and Low sec; promoting such totalitarian regimes in High Sec is just overkill.
CODE. has made no such thing clear. Players who want that sort of game-play experience can move into Low or Null-sec. Encouraging that is prefferable to CODE. doing needless damage to players who have made no indication they have any interest in such affairs.
moreover: I think you mean "shake down High-sec." not "up"