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We have to pay through Nexon from next April. Question from a "Japan based player"

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Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2011-12-02 03:56:26 UTC
Someone in 2chanel forum sent a petition to CCP asking about the NEXON's recent private information leak incident (private informations of over 13,000,000 accounts has been leaked due to hacking.), and got an answer from CCP.

It says:
>PLEXとGTC等は、現状と同じように購入し使用することができます。
>上記の方法をとられる場合はNEXON IDを取得することなく、EVE Onlineをプレイして頂くことができます。

in English:
PLEX and GTC can be purchased just like they can be as of now.
If you extend your pilot time by above means, you can play EVE Online without registering a NEXON ID.


Now, when NEXON first released its interview, NEXON side clearly said "Any Japanese player whether or not using PLEX will have to be registered as NEXON player."
But now, CCP perhaps noticed our anger and utter distrust against NEXON, they must have talked with NEXON and changed their policy?

Above answer from CCP is indeed from CCP and thus an official answer, right?
So, I guess we were saved by the skin of our teeth.

If this solution is indeed true and we are allowed to continue playing EVE Online, I thank CCP for taking notice of us minorities.
And CCP did a decent (needs improvements for sure but decent) job of releasing Japanese version of the client, they should keep on doing the good job. :)
Myxx
The Scope
#162 - 2011-12-02 16:08:55 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Someone in 2chanel forum sent a petition to CCP asking about the NEXON's recent private information leak incident (private informations of over 13,000,000 accounts has been leaked due to hacking.), and got an answer from CCP.

It says:
>PLEXとGTC等は、現状と同じように購入し使用することができます。
>上記の方法をとられる場合はNEXON IDを取得することなく、EVE Onlineをプレイして頂くことができます。

in English:
PLEX and GTC can be purchased just like they can be as of now.
If you extend your pilot time by above means, you can play EVE Online without registering a NEXON ID.


Now, when NEXON first released its interview, NEXON side clearly said "Any Japanese player whether or not using PLEX will have to be registered as NEXON player."
But now, CCP perhaps noticed our anger and utter distrust against NEXON, they must have talked with NEXON and changed their policy?

Above answer from CCP is indeed from CCP and thus an official answer, right?
So, I guess we were saved by the skin of our teeth.

If this solution is indeed true and we are allowed to continue playing EVE Online, I thank CCP for taking notice of us minorities.
And CCP did a decent (needs improvements for sure but decent) job of releasing Japanese version of the client, they should keep on doing the good job. :)

Not all players can pay via plex, however, so it may only solve it for some japaneese players, right?
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#163 - 2011-12-02 16:30:45 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:
How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.

At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.


As I understand it, Japan and China operate under slightly different conditions than the North American market; China, for example, is very sensitive on the subject of death, and the country has its own specific World of Warcraft client, with altered graphics that make the Forsaken a bit more 'human' looking and renmove the tombstones in the graveyards. The Wrath of the Lich King expansion (being entirely focused on the undead) wasn't even available in China until very recenty.

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Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2011-12-02 20:54:18 UTC
Myxx wrote:

Not all players can pay via plex, however, so it may only solve it for some japaneese players, right?

What you say is true, CCP will discourage many potential Japanese players by only offering payment through NEXON publicly.
So they lose a big opportunity to increase player number, but that's not our concern.
But to those who seek information on their own, we can let them know that the options are out there.
Also there are some who doesn't take heed on security issues, so those won't mind joining through NEXON.
And well, if you don't seek out knowledge on your own, you can't survive in EVE anyway, right?

I feel it is at least better than not having the choice at all. :/
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#165 - 2011-12-02 21:42:39 UTC
Imawuss wrote:
So your mad about a price that you dont even know exactly how much it is?

Since the yen is trading at about 74 to $1 right now if they charge 1500 yen per month i have an idea for you. Buy plex for $15 here then resell it for 1300 Yen there, they pay less and you make about 15% profit, not bad at all. That gig should be good for about 2 years until the dollar gains some strength against the Yen.

Dont get mad, make money, its what you would do in EVE.



Yeah the exchange rate really sucks right now and I have a trip planned there in the spring. I'm not looking forward to the paltry sum that will become of my USD when exchanging currency.

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Myxx
The Scope
#166 - 2012-01-09 21:53:19 UTC
Still no answer on this?
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#167 - 2012-01-09 22:23:32 UTC
CCP are playing it old-school, ignore it and hope it goes away.

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Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2012-01-09 22:26:10 UTC
Fear not my Japanese Brothers and Sisters,

I will buy GTC from eve and sell to you for a $1 AU broker fee per transaction(not per gtc) because god damn dealing with a 3rd party for an MMO pricing is just ridiculous, it should be equal world wide. It's not as if you live in North Korea....
Cyzlaki
BRAWLS DEEP
HYPE-TRAIN
#169 - 2012-01-09 22:43:46 UTC
If you are that against paying Nexon to play EVE, buy a year sub from CCP now and stock up on PLEX's.
Valei Khurelem
#170 - 2012-01-09 22:47:20 UTC
CCP, stop making stupid and incompetent decisions please.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#171 - 2012-01-09 23:00:06 UTC
Japanese and Koreans don't really like each other do they? Just asking...

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#172 - 2012-01-09 23:02:02 UTC
Well if Nexon where to screw CCP over I can see CCP giving them the big bird too, just like thier very first publisher.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#173 - 2012-01-09 23:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Karash Amerius wrote:
Japanese and Koreans don't really like each other do they? Just asking...


The quick answer is no they certianly do not like each other.

Blame befets to bad history, bad blood, and economic blaming games.

Very few asians like each other for that matter.

Is it okay to have this as a sterotype? Well just consider you can invite them all to dinner and they will not kill each other, theyll have enough respect to wait until after dinner is over first.

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Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-01-13 05:16:12 UTC
Nexon being a Korean company has nothing to do with the matter.

And CCP, we are still waiting for the price to be announced.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#175 - 2012-01-13 05:24:11 UTC
Argaral wrote:
Fear not my Japanese Brothers and Sisters,

I will buy GTC from eve and sell to you for a $1 AU broker fee per transaction(not per gtc) because god damn dealing with a 3rd party for an MMO pricing is just ridiculous, it should be equal world wide. It's not as if you live in North Korea....


this is a solid idea, however I strongly suggest if you are serious to run it up the proper CCP channels or risk being accused of RMT at some point in the future

and with this in mind, aren't there numerous outlets for GTC that Japanese players could take advantage of? or is the language and currency issues making this a problem?

Actually depending on the above issues I could even set up an outlet for purchases of GCT by players in Japan, but I would need a better understanding of the reasons why the other existing outlets are not acceptable
Endeavour Starfleet
#176 - 2012-01-13 06:05:12 UTC
CCP you want to try atleast talking in here? You've got another PR disaster on your hands!

Denying players from japan the ability to pay the way they always have? Are you out of your damn mind?


And what is this about using stuff from another game to buy or fund EVE play time? What on earth is going on CCP?
Myxx
The Scope
#177 - 2012-01-13 07:41:29 UTC
another bump for japaneese people
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#178 - 2012-01-13 08:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Ranka Mei wrote:
cotton feel wrote:
The contrary is not carried out to tying up with NEXON as a means which increases a Japanese player.
It is not allowed to provide NEXON with a Japanese player as a means to tie up with NEXON.

E? Nani sore?!

Quote:

What kind of obstacle does paying directly CCP have?

^^ No offense, but I'd say your command of the English language. Clearly you used google translate or something, as the result is quite unintelligible. That's not a judgement, as your English is probably still better than my Japanese, but it does underline, clearly, that an English-only support desk is going to have trouble understanding you.

So, having some sort of middle man who's fluent in your language is probably not as bad an idea as I initially thought.


Translator has terrible English. This is just the result of a very different grammatical system than English. All the words are correct, and easily understandable.

Japanese has phenomenal depth, with words having multi-levels of meaning solely based on inflections used in speaking; where English has no way of characterising such things, except through dramatic speech, verbal irony, sarcasm, etc... In text, the alternative is excessive word use to express your thoughts, or directly explaining what you mean whenever something might be misinterpreted.

The Japanese written language incorporates all the inflections used in everyday langauge; allowing for multiple levels of meaning to be understood from reading without explanation. There is very little that is misunderstood in Japanese; and very little left to interpretation when something is said.

I don't speak or read Japanese myself; but I admire the language. Far too much complexity for me to take the time to learn, (if I could), I think.
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Endeavour Starfleet
#179 - 2012-01-13 08:56:04 UTC
Well if English has any advantage it is that it is adaptable and absorbs other languages. I would love for English to over time steal the beauty and phrasing ability of the Asian languages. This will of course make English harder to learn than it already is. Yet it will move things towards having a universal language in the future.

At the rate English is changing in just the past two decades. I vote to have it renamed to a name better suited to Earth communication. "Basic" is well basic but does not convey the complexity involved.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#180 - 2012-01-13 09:15:06 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:


Uncle Google tells me that $15 is about ¥1200, so if final price exceeds ¥1500 I'd say that the customers are being gouged seeing as they are not European socialists (like me) who are happy, happy, happy to pay extra for the greater good.



I am European yet socialism makes me vomit.

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