Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Allow anything owned by the Corporation to be flagged as "Corporate Property", having the following effects:

-Corporate Property can only be sold on behalf of the Corporation, even if it's in a member's personal hangar.
-Corporate Property can be confiscated at any time from any member's hangar and put back into the Corporate hangar.

This relatively simple change will suddenly revitalize the commercial side of the corporation system. It will make possible a wide array of models of business that are simply impossible today, or very impractical (as in "requiring hundreds of contracts to do properly").

The concept of "corporation" as a business, with the meaning it has in the real world, is not possible without this.

EDIT: Additional ideas and info obtained from the feedback and iterating the idea:

-Tax corporate property. CONCORD, or the SCC, or whatever, need to be paid for the extra cost of the resources they need to dedicate to enforce the legal system. So, let's say a 1% of the estimated market value of everything that you have tagged as "corporate property" is charged every month as "property taxes". This forces CEOs to be selective of what they "protect" with the tag, and also to keep a control of the stock to cycle it rapidly and keep unused reserves to a minimum (since there are no storage costs in Eve).

-A less restrictive option is not to be able to confiscate the assets back to the corp, but only to see where and who has corporate property. This will achieve most of the goals (but not all).

-Maybe make Corporate Property only able to be confiscated in High-Sec, or in NPC-owned, non-pirate stations (Sisters of Eve, yes; Angel Cartel, no).

Yes and no, it would be cool if you can mark it as corp and if they unsub it gos back to the corp, but i sort of support this.

I sort of agree, if it makes corporations more of an entity

I'd be interested to know at what point, and how, it becomes corporate property?

The idea would be for anything that:
A) Is bought with corporate money.
B) Is donated by a member (manually labeled as "Corporate property" by said member.

The idea would allow to implement trade strategies and organizations that are so impractical by current obsolete mechanics, that you simply can't apply them in practice.

For example, imagine a "trading corporation". Ideally, such an entity would buy stuff in the market, and then give it to players (the traders) to sell it in different markets all through New Eden, with part of the profits going back to the corp, and part to the trader.

The problem is that this simple idea becomes impractical when you have to hand the stuff to a hauler creating a courier contract. Then, deliver the stuff to an audit log container in the destination market. Then, check periodically if the stuff taken from the audit log container is on the market under a corporate sale order. If not, study the transaction log to check if said order was indeed up on the market but was fulfilled. And then, calculate profits from the transaction and pay the proper percentage to the trader.

Now, multiply that process for hundreds of items, per the number of target markets, per the number of traders. You see what the problem is. This involves tens of actions and checks PER item PER trader, amounting to hundreds of mouse clicks and navigating the obscure and clunky corporation interface.

The problem is tedium, not security.

But now, let's consider security too. The potential losses you can have with having every trader access corporate stuff with the current system is so great that even if you "only" have a theft incident once per year, the losses would be so great as to nullify your profit for the whole year.

In the end, you're better doing absolutely everything yourself with your 1 man corp, than trying to do this with more people (which is sad for an online game).

Eve is a game that relies heavily on trust is what makes our so rewarding and so damming


This feature is not only not needed in eve but diminishes part of its cite gameplay

If you can't trust someone worth something don't give it to then. If you don't trust them but need to give it to then, we'll that is whet the risk vs reward congress in

Nope.

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Yes. My idea is that if you're a director, or otherwise have any role that allows management of the "Corporate property" tag (let's call it "Quartermaster" for example) you could do exactly that.

The idea is to make many processes easier to manage, and more straightforward and intuitive at the corporate level, not to eliminate corp theft in any way. You would probably give the "Quartermaster" role to more or less the same amount of people that you would grant total access to that same property under the current system.

You wouldn't even need to drop corp to do that. If your CEO doesn't properly audit Corporate Property, you could regularly steal Corp Property and nobody would notice.

I would still prefer full control. To some extent, the lack of legal, enforced systems in Eve breaks the suspension of disbelief. Are there no tribunals, no police, and no station security personnel that can impound stuff in a station and return it to the legal owner?

However, your idea offers a good middle-ground. It's a more conservative option, but still a huge step in the right direction in my opinion, that would indeed make much easier business-oriented corporate management.

Yeah, probably this change would imply adding a new value to the item meta-properties (similar to its location; items retain location after repackaging). I assume it probably implies some low-level programming.

Aren't there audit log contains for that? I'll be honest I never looked in depth but they seemed to fit the bill from their description.