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Pirates that actually live in lowsec?

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Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#61 - 2015-12-12 09:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaska Iskalar
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The corporation I was in before (Peace.Keepers) are pirates who do faction warfare to make isk.

You seem to be confused. Pirates pirate to make ISK. That's what makes them pirates, the act of piracy. You're a PvPer. CCP killed pirates years ago.
Sitting Bull Lakota
Poppins and Company
#62 - 2015-12-19 10:25:56 UTC
I'm no pirate, but I've fingered a few bums. Are there pirate worthy targets in lowsec? I haven't seen them.
But then, I don't really fly in lowsec. It gives me the chills don't you know? All those pvp elites chasing me about the belts.
I'm a rather fey and doughy sort.
Solecist Project
#63 - 2015-12-19 11:26:27 UTC
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:
I'm no pirate, but I've fingered a few bums. Are there pirate worthy targets in lowsec? I haven't seen them.
But then, I don't really fly in lowsec. It gives me the chills don't you know? All those pvp elites chasing me about the belts.
I'm a rather fey and doughy sort.

*licks quote*
Mmmmhhh.... salty.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

GazMays
Weyland-Yutani terraforming expedition
Weyland Industries.
#64 - 2015-12-20 14:45:31 UTC
Всех пиратов ждет дорога в ад!

http://coub.com/view/9tiud
Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#65 - 2015-12-26 17:38:56 UTC
I laugh a little whenever any of you scrubs call yourselves pirates. Pirates capture goods and may ransom people if they are important. What you fake ass "pirates" are now is psychotic killers. Scrambling and killing everything in sight isn't piracy, sitting at a gate shitting on reapers and wreathes isnt piracy, its the purge movie. I don't care either way personally, as my large rigs on my Nighoggur are older than most of these fake ass pirates, they never catch me (**** yo gatecamp). I'm just calling it what it is.

Before you ask yes I pvp https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/ but its not my primary reason for logging in.
Thermal Damage
Star Nation
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2015-12-27 11:04:41 UTC
Ninlarra wrote:
I laugh a little whenever any of you scrubs call yourselves pirates. Pirates capture goods and may ransom people if they are important. What you fake ass "pirates" are now is psychotic killers. Scrambling and killing everything in sight isn't piracy, sitting at a gate shitting on reapers and wreathes isnt piracy, its the purge movie. I don't care either way personally, as my large rigs on my Nighoggur are older than most of these fake ass pirates, they never catch me (**** yo gatecamp). I'm just calling it what it is.

Before you ask yes I pvp https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/ but its not my primary reason for logging in.


Your Firetail fit is garbage.

I was found guilty of Nitshe by the CoCaP

Sar'Duakar
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#67 - 2015-12-29 18:16:04 UTC
Piracy is a dead game. Since the introduction of Capital ship's traffic in low sec decreased.
Why fly your new cruiser through low sec to get out to your new null home when it can be jumped from high sec straight into Null?

Solo pvp is virtually non exsistant because every man and his dog as a cyno fitted. Same with gate camping. Corp mate just engaged a tech I hauler expecting perhaps something nice, even just a killmail.
He got the kill mail alright, but a loss mail too after the 6 Black Op's then jumped in the moment he aggro'ed.

Unless your in a large gang, part of a large block, or have black op's capability or the means to defend against it, small scale piracy is dead.

Famine Aligher'ri
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#68 - 2015-12-29 19:53:20 UTC
I've been a pirate since 2004. I just resubbed yesterday and trying to get back into the swing of things.

My thoughts on piracy is that it's non-existent. Many corporations out there in low-sec and null-sec are just there to PvP. It's more about the fight than the ISK or being a scum bag. Ransoms or not, piracy used to be about being the most ruthless pilot who would do anything to tip the scale in his/her favor. If that entailed snipping from 100KM+ away, using ECM, using DAMPS with Warp Core Stabbed Ravens (*cough* Burn Eden *cough), then that's what they did.

I think piracy still can exist today. Just no one cares enough to do it. If anyone does, then please let me know. I'll fly with ya.

Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate

Former The Pirate Syndicate Member

Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member

Former Burn Eden member

Former BioMass Cartel member

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2015-12-29 21:21:43 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There's not enough prey in lowsec to support a large number of pirates.

Have you considered basing out of Thera? It offers unique opportunities - including always being 1 wormhole connection from lowsec if you want to go there.



Blame the advent of jump freighters for that.. the decline and change was so sharp and abrupt when they appeared that is not even funny.... I remember when drone regions opened, and their rats droped minerals (back then zydrine was 7k a unit... and there was a HUGE flux of haulers moving minerals down the pipes...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2015-12-29 21:23:11 UTC
Ninlarra wrote:
I laugh a little whenever any of you scrubs call yourselves pirates. Pirates capture goods and may ransom people if they are important. What you fake ass "pirates" are now is psychotic killers. Scrambling and killing everything in sight isn't piracy, sitting at a gate shitting on reapers and wreathes isnt piracy, its the purge movie. I don't care either way personally, as my large rigs on my Nighoggur are older than most of these fake ass pirates, they never catch me (**** yo gatecamp). I'm just calling it what it is.

Before you ask yes I pvp https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/ but its not my primary reason for logging in.



so much anger..... well these so called pirates clearly have taken your composture away.. so they took somethign from you .. therefore YAAAArrr!!!!!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Drake Sertan
Khanid Synergy
#71 - 2016-01-03 06:59:17 UTC
Ninlarra wrote:
I laugh a little whenever any of you scrubs call yourselves pirates. Pirates capture goods and may ransom people if they are important. What you fake ass "pirates" are now is psychotic killers. Scrambling and killing everything in sight isn't piracy, sitting at a gate shitting on reapers and wreathes isnt piracy, its the purge movie. I don't care either way personally, as my large rigs on my Nighoggur are older than most of these fake ass pirates, they never catch me (**** yo gatecamp). I'm just calling it what it is.

Before you ask yes I pvp https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/ but its not my primary reason for logging in.



Problem is, I've tried the whole ransom route and it simply doesn't pay out. Smartbombing covertops and noobships does pay out and if taking assets from another player through force is not considered piracy, I'm afraid the definition is lost to me. And I love stealing from smug players that think that because they are an old toon in an Ares makes them immune to the Large YF-12a.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#72 - 2016-01-06 22:57:29 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There's not enough prey in lowsec to support a large number of pirates.

Have you considered basing out of Thera? It offers unique opportunities - including always being 1 wormhole connection from lowsec if you want to go there.



Blame the advent of jump freighters for that.. the decline and change was so sharp and abrupt when they appeared that is not even funny.... I remember when drone regions opened, and their rats droped minerals (back then zydrine was 7k a unit... and there was a HUGE flux of haulers moving minerals down the pipes...



Yep, JFs are central to it. Also wormholes to a lesser extent - an orca can get from deep 0.0 to highsec in a few very well scouted jumps.

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Thermal Damage
Star Nation
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2016-01-07 17:36:01 UTC
Drake Sertan wrote:
Ninlarra wrote:
I laugh a little whenever any of you scrubs call yourselves pirates. Pirates capture goods and may ransom people if they are important. What you fake ass "pirates" are now is psychotic killers. Scrambling and killing everything in sight isn't piracy, sitting at a gate shitting on reapers and wreathes isnt piracy, its the purge movie. I don't care either way personally, as my large rigs on my Nighoggur are older than most of these fake ass pirates, they never catch me (**** yo gatecamp). I'm just calling it what it is.

Before you ask yes I pvp https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/ but its not my primary reason for logging in.



Problem is, I've tried the whole ransom route and it simply doesn't pay out. Smartbombing covertops and noobships does pay out and if taking assets from another player through force is not considered piracy, I'm afraid the definition is lost to me. And I love stealing from smug players that think that because they are an old toon in an Ares makes them immune to the Large YF-12a.


I approve of your choice of damage type.

I was found guilty of Nitshe by the CoCaP

Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#74 - 2016-01-13 02:55:28 UTC
If piracy is defined by the degree of subterfuge and skullduggery, I'd say you are a few years late to the game.

Piracy was the life of the high-sec flipper/baiter/deccer.

Low sec is just gambling... Skill or not, everyone there wagered a ship and accepted a fight. There is very little deception or skullduggery here.

Highsec was all about inspiring the opportunist inside a carebear who didn't want to fight... And making him decide to fight because a) he knew he would win b) he was so mad at you he couldn't see straight or c) you came up with such a good trick he didn't know what he was doing.

That psychological game is what made me fall in love with eve.

To hear people talk you would think high-sec pirates were baiting rookies with Macharials. Truth is, you couldn't get a fight that way. You had to look weak to get fights. That meant flying badgers and crap like that in combat.

To me, that was piracy. We ransomed corps over war for cash. We threatened and killed and looted. We had fun.


Low sec piracy is just a fight. The complexity and psychological game is missing.
RuleoftheBone
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2016-01-13 06:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: RuleoftheBone
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Piracy was the life of the high-sec flipper/baiter/deccer.

Low sec is just gambling... Skill or not, everyone there wagered a ship and accepted a fight. There is very little deception or skullduggery here.

Low sec piracy is just a fight. The complexity and psychological game is missing.


This is mostly complete rubbish.

It was probing out and ransoming L4 mission runners in losec, 100 jump roams ransoming and ganking what was found in belts (yes folks mined and ratted in belts), running into nullsec and pissing off random alliances ganking lazy ratters (at least some things don't change), and of course the ever-popular fighting other pirates.

Never mind intercepting freighters inbound from nullsec and all sorts of fun and games.

Oh....and the joy of watching new corp members go from +5 to -10 in an hour or so blasting bot haulers off gates....and nuking the bot controller response fleet Ravens!

And of course....-10 was mandatory Pirate

High sec can flipping and silly station games pretty got one banned from "serious" pirate corps.

But times change. The pirates of old have become alliances, became cap heavy, or do whatever to enjoy the game. If newer pilots want to call themselves "pirate" while spewing stupid **** like "dank frags dooz 110011!!" and running around a la Counterstrike in Space...well...they are having fun.

There are a few old school pirate corps around....and I would venture to say the ones who really enjoy the thinking mans EvE game tend to spend a lot of time in W-space where no local and an extremely dynamic environment make it fun for the patient and skilled....not so fun for the instant reward types.

As far as psychology goes....getting inside the oppositions headspace is still valid. Stalking and just KNOWING the dude in the Golem is going to go do that last Sleeper site no matter what is no different that the old days of watching Ravens in .3 lo-sec missions ignore the brief instant a Cheetah is on scan....until it drops cloak within 20km and points/damps to the delighted glee of the DPS boys charging in for the ransom and kill.

Would the likes of Veto be successful today? With all the FW targets running around and WH space I would suggest business as usual.

Anyway that's enough greybeard rambling.

**Edit**Want to read about a pirate? Try here......http://cloakybastard.blogspot.com/
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#76 - 2016-01-13 06:50:57 UTC
RuleoftheBone wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Piracy was the life of the high-sec flipper/baiter/deccer.

Low sec is just gambling... Skill or not, everyone there wagered a ship and accepted a fight. There is very little deception or skullduggery here.

Low sec piracy is just a fight. The complexity and psychological game is missing.


This is mostly complete rubbish.

It was probing out and ransoming L4 mission runners in losec, 100 jump roams ransoming and ganking what was found in belts (yes folks mined and ratted in belts), running into nullsec and pissing off random alliances ganking lazy ratters (at least some things don't change), and of course the ever-popular fighting other pirates.

Never mind intercepting freighters inbound from nullsec and all sorts of fun and games.

Oh....and the joy of watching new corp members go from +5 to -10 in an hour or so blasting bot haulers off gates....and nuking the bot controller response fleet Ravens!

And of course....-10 was mandatory Pirate

High sec can flipping and silly station games pretty got one banned from "serious" pirate corps.

But times change. The pirates of old have become alliances, became cap heavy, or do whatever to enjoy the game. If newer pilots want to call themselves "pirate" while spewing stupid **** like "dank frags dooz 110011!!" and running around a la Counterstrike in Space...well...they are having fun.

There are a few old school pirate corps around....and I would venture to say the ones who really enjoy the thinking mans EvE game tend to spend a lot of time in W-space where no local and an extremely dynamic environment make it fun for the patient and skilled....not so fun for the instant reward types.

As far as psychology goes....getting inside the oppositions headspace is still valid. Stalking and just KNOWING the dude in the Golem is going to go do that last Sleeper site no matter what is no different that the old days of watching Ravens in .3 lo-sec missions ignore the brief instant a Cheetah is on scan....until it drops cloak within 20km and points/damps to the delighted glee of the DPS boys charging in for the ransom and kill.

Would the likes of Veto be successful today? With all the FW targets running around and WH space I would suggest business as usual.

Anyway that's enough greybeard rambling.

**Edit**Want to read about a pirate? Try here......http://cloakybastard.blogspot.com/


It's either mostly rubbish or complete rubbish. Using both modifiers to describe my BS is unclear (but potentially accurate).

I wouldn't rate 100 jump fleet roams as interesting, much less piracy. I've lived in null too. Highsec is more dangerous (and has been since I've been playing).

I've lived in a WH, and anyone doing that is closer to being a maroon than a pirate IMO.

Yeah, times have changed. I still maintain that the small territorial high-sec war/griefing/etc Corp was the true pirates of Eve.

We were more hated than any other group. We were more talked about than any other group. Ultimately, we were obsoleted as a playstyle because we were too harsh of content.

Here is my definition: if you don't think it's a little "messed up", it's not piracy.

I don't care what your sec status is, shooting people in low doesn't make you a pirate.



flakeys
Doomheim
#77 - 2016-01-13 15:05:07 UTC
Z'krooh wrote:
Are there any pirate groups or solo pirates that actually do all their activities in lowsec, including their possible alt characters? I have read a lot of these forums and noticed that pirates tend to have alts in highsec space doing mining, missioning or some industrial activities including trading.

But, isn't that embarrassing to act like a real badass one arm pirate and then log in your carebear alt after you have lost your shiny ship?


Guess you never heard of market pvp , wich reading your post actually makes sense to me.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Nitshe Razvedka
#78 - 2016-01-13 15:13:52 UTC
GazMays wrote:
Всех пиратов ждет дорога в ад!

http://coub.com/view/9tiud

Ад читает свои слова! Cool

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#79 - 2016-01-13 15:25:43 UTC
I think most ppl confuse rl piracy with eve piracy. I concider me and my corp part time pirates. We jump at every oppertunity to kill shiny things in our area. Stealing sites an killing jfs/carriers/dreads on badly placed cynos. However, piracy by itself is hardly sustainable in terms of making isk tbh.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#80 - 2016-01-13 18:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
If piracy is defined by the degree of subterfuge and skullduggery, I'd say you are a few years late to the game.

Piracy was the life of the high-sec flipper/baiter/deccer.

Low sec is just gambling... Skill or not, everyone there wagered a ship and accepted a fight. There is very little deception or skullduggery here.

Highsec was all about inspiring the opportunist inside a carebear who didn't want to fight... And making him decide to fight because a) he knew he would win b) he was so mad at you he couldn't see straight or c) you came up with such a good trick he didn't know what he was doing.

That psychological game is what made me fall in love with eve.

To hear people talk you would think high-sec pirates were baiting rookies with Macharials. Truth is, you couldn't get a fight that way. You had to look weak to get fights. That meant flying badgers and crap like that in combat.

To me, that was piracy. We ransomed corps over war for cash. We threatened and killed and looted. We had fun.


Low sec piracy is just a fight. The complexity and psychological game is missing.


On the contrary, ransoming happens in low sec, gatecamping to block trade routes, real pirates camp trade routes ...fighting other pirates over assets, ganking pve'ers. so lowsec isnt just a fight, baiting someone to shoot first and tricking someone into fighting you so you can act like you are fighting in lowsec is just as much piracy as baiting, lowsec you just dont need to bait

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*