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Makavelia
National Industries
#1 - 2016-01-10 16:42:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
Recently got back into eve and was looking forward to using this ship. What is it's purpose though?.

You can't run anything below 4/10 and as I'm told you can no longer single out 4/10's in high sec, hugely increasing scan times. The prof sites I've done so far still seem a waste of time while the only notable sleeper cache is not accessible to gnosis.

As far as low sec/wh goes and more valuable to prof sites, you can do those in hull bonus frigates that also cost far less to fit. I don't see any need to risk a bc hull and even if, My hurricane can do everything the gno can and is cheaper.

The spread of the shield resistances also make it's tank iffy for lower level players (puts you at a disadvantage vs anything but EM where you'd normally have no prior resistance). Similar applicable values if armor tanking it. Fitting this ship with high skills resulted in lower tank and dps than my hurricane vs angel and other typical rat types.

It's bonus for combat probes lead me to think it's perhaps a good pvp scaner that can also take part in battle. How ever it has no cloak bonuses so seems a rather expensive buy just for +probe strength. Regardless of it's nice amount of mid slots.

I would like to use it but not just for using sake. Does it have an actual notable role?.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2016-01-10 17:26:38 UTC
Gnosis is great in hostile space, it has ridiculous agility for a BC, it's mass is quite low as well and it has a scanning bonus making it well suited for wormhole travel.

The other nice thing about it is it requires no skills to get it's full bonus so it is quite useful for new alts and or players.

For PVP it has a very high base scan resolution making it very suitable for gate campimg.

In conclusion , it's a great ship, it's just not good at what you want it to do.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#3 - 2016-01-10 17:59:27 UTC
It's the T3 that actually got it right for a change. So it's good at being properly balanced, I guess...flexible, but not too much "OP/SUPA T3 FTW".

Best part...or sadest, rather...is it's not even a T3.

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Makavelia
National Industries
#4 - 2016-01-10 20:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Gnosis is great in hostile space, it has ridiculous agility for a BC, it's mass is quite low as well and it has a scanning bonus making it well suited for wormhole travel.

The other nice thing about it is it requires no skills to get it's full bonus so it is quite useful for new alts and or players.

For PVP it has a very high base scan resolution making it very suitable for gate campimg.

In conclusion , it's a great ship, it's just not good at what you want it to do.


I'm not sure what a low sp player is suppose to get out of this ship. It's not worth using in high sec and they very likely won't have the support skills such as imp cloak , scan strength or know how of flying a bigger hull in low/wh.

The ship was dubbed ''exploration ship'' when it was first announced, or heavily implied. What I'm getting at is that if I want to bomb people I train into a stealth bomber, unrivaled by any other hull due to bonuses etc. As for using the Gno to explore, It is very difficult to justify ever using it over various standard hulls. It's not a huge problem, just a let down.

theirs enough option of ships to camp gates with -.^.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#5 - 2016-01-11 00:28:11 UTC
Makavelia wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Gnosis is great in hostile space, it has ridiculous agility for a BC, it's mass is quite low as well and it has a scanning bonus making it well suited for wormhole travel.

The other nice thing about it is it requires no skills to get it's full bonus so it is quite useful for new alts and or players.

For PVP it has a very high base scan resolution making it very suitable for gate campimg.

In conclusion , it's a great ship, it's just not good at what you want it to do.


I'm not sure what a low sp player is suppose to get out of this ship. It's not worth using in high sec and they very likely won't have the support skills such as imp cloak , scan strength or know how of flying a bigger hull in low/wh.

The ship was dubbed ''exploration ship'' when it was first announced, or heavily implied. What I'm getting at is that if I want to bomb people I train into a stealth bomber, unrivaled by any other hull due to bonuses etc. As for using the Gno to explore, It is very difficult to justify ever using it over various standard hulls. It's not a huge problem, just a let down.

theirs enough option of ships to camp gates with -.^.



gnosis will beat any other ship in scan resolution (lock time), so it is probably the best gate camping ship. It will lock faster than a sebo'd thrasher if I remember correctly.
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2016-01-11 03:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Makavelia wrote:
I'm not sure what a low sp player is suppose to get out of this ship. It's not worth using in high sec

It is the fastest path to running level 3s somewhat efficiently with if you have a new toon. You can train the medium gun type of your choice and while you finish doing that and while you train the first BC for the race of your choice you can be flying a Gnosis the whole time.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-01-11 05:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Makavelia wrote:
Recently got back into eve and was looking forward to using this ship. What is it's purpose though?.

You can't run anything below 4/10 and as I'm told you can no longer single out 4/10's in high sec, hugely increasing scan times. The prof sites I've done so far still seem a waste of time while the only notable sleeper cache is not accessible to gnosis.

As far as low sec/wh goes and more valuable to prof sites, you can do those in hull bonus frigates that also cost far less to fit. I don't see any need to risk a bc hull and even if, My hurricane can do everything the gno can and is cheaper.

The spread of the shield resistances also make it's tank iffy for lower level players (puts you at a disadvantage vs anything but EM where you'd normally have no prior resistance). Similar applicable values if armor tanking it. Fitting this ship with high skills resulted in lower tank and dps than my hurricane vs angel and other typical rat types.

It's bonus for combat probes lead me to think it's perhaps a good pvp scaner that can also take part in battle. How ever it has no cloak bonuses so seems a rather expensive buy just for +probe strength. Regardless of it's nice amount of mid slots.

I would like to use it but not just for using sake. Does it have an actual notable role?.


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Makavelia
National Industries
#8 - 2016-01-12 14:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
I'm not sure what a low sp player is suppose to get out of this ship. It's not worth using in high sec

It is the fastest path to running level 3s somewhat efficiently with if you have a new toon. You can train the medium gun type of your choice and while you finish doing that and while you train the first BC for the race of your choice you can be flying a Gnosis the whole time.


That may be a use, but not a very good one in line with what the ship should be.

The ship dedicated to exploration should surely be the first choice for most things exploration related. Using a t1 hull should still be possible in any case but atm I see no reason to use gnosis for anything exploration wise over what I can currently fly. It has that slight bling factor that will likely have pirates chase you harder but tbf it's performance does not justify that tag.


It would make more sense if this ship was exempt from hull based limitations to complexes etc. It has nothing special otherwise.. I see no reason to jump this into low sec when it's only upside from a cov ops frigate is running ded4's that can be ran easier in my hurricane.

If it could run 1-4 deds and limited sleepers etc, it has a perk, a genuine reason to be used over anything else. Being that useful would also tripple the ships value over night, soon making the risk>reward ramp up as a counter balance. But the end result, it's useful above most other hulls for exploration.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#9 - 2016-01-12 14:46:36 UTC
Makavelia wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
I'm not sure what a low sp player is suppose to get out of this ship. It's not worth using in high sec

It is the fastest path to running level 3s somewhat efficiently with if you have a new toon. You can train the medium gun type of your choice and while you finish doing that and while you train the first BC for the race of your choice you can be flying a Gnosis the whole time.


That may be a use, but not a very good one in line with what the ship should be.

The ship dedicated to exploration should surely be the first choice for most things exploration related. Using a t1 hull should still be possible in any case but atm I see no reason to use gnosis for anything exploration wise over what I can currently fly. It has that slight bling factor that will likely have pirates chase you harder but tbf it's performance does not justify that tag.


It would make more sense if this ship was exempt from hull based limitations to complexes etc. It has nothing special otherwise.. I see no reason to jump this into low sec when it's only upside from a cov ops frigate is running ded4's that can be ran easier in my hurricane.

If it could run 1-4 deds and limited sleepers etc, it has a perk, a genuine reason to be used over anything else. Being that useful would also tripple the ships value over night, soon making the risk>reward ramp up as a counter balance. But the end result, it's useful above most other hulls for exploration.

Sitting on a pile of Gnosises are we?

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Makavelia
National Industries
#10 - 2016-01-12 14:47:55 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Makavelia wrote:
I'm not sure what a low sp player is suppose to get out of this ship. It's not worth using in high sec

It is the fastest path to running level 3s somewhat efficiently with if you have a new toon. You can train the medium gun type of your choice and while you finish doing that and while you train the first BC for the race of your choice you can be flying a Gnosis the whole time.


That may be a use, but not a very good one in line with what the ship should be.

The ship dedicated to exploration should surely be the first choice for most things exploration related. Using a t1 hull should still be possible in any case but atm I see no reason to use gnosis for anything exploration wise over what I can currently fly. It has that slight bling factor that will likely have pirates chase you harder but tbf it's performance does not justify that tag.


It would make more sense if this ship was exempt from hull based limitations to complexes etc. It has nothing special otherwise.. I see no reason to jump this into low sec when it's only upside from a cov ops frigate is running ded4's that can be ran easier in my hurricane.

If it could run 1-4 deds and limited sleepers etc, it has a perk, a genuine reason to be used over anything else. Being that useful would also tripple the ships value over night, soon making the risk>reward ramp up as a counter balance. But the end result, it's useful above most other hulls for exploration.

Sitting on a pile of Gnosises are we?


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Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2016-01-12 18:21:48 UTC
Then get out there and start shooting them, it's the most effective way to drive demand. Twisted

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-01-12 19:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Makavelia wrote:


The ship dedicated to exploration should surely be the first choice for most things exploration related.


No, it really shouldn't be the "first choice" for anything. It was a one-off anniversary gift/collector's edition perk.

And where are you getting this, "THE SHIP DEDICATED TO EXPLORATION" nonsense from? The flavortext?

Quote:
The SoCT's Gnosis-class battlecruiser is typically used as an exploration, research or training vessel and is well equipped for such activities. It is even better prepared, however, to guard such tasks from interruption and sabotage.


Hmm. Doesn't really sound like THE dedicated exploration ship. Sounds like an entry level multi-role ship.... which the traits support, as well.

"Dedicated" exploration ships: Every covops, their T1 counterparts, the astero, the stratios, T3s in certain configurations.

How do you figure that, not only is there ONE TRUE DEDICATED EXPLORATION SHIP, but also that it is the limited edition, no-skills-required Gnosis?

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Makavelia
National Industries
#13 - 2016-01-13 10:10:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Makavelia wrote:


The ship dedicated to exploration should surely be the first choice for most things exploration related.


No, it really shouldn't be the "first choice" for anything. It was a one-off anniversary gift/collector's edition perk.

And where are you getting this, "THE SHIP DEDICATED TO EXPLORATION" nonsense from? The flavortext?

Quote:
The SoCT's Gnosis-class battlecruiser is typically used as an exploration, research or training vessel and is well equipped for such activities. It is even better prepared, however, to guard such tasks from interruption and sabotage.


Hmm. Doesn't really sound like THE dedicated exploration ship. Sounds like an entry level multi-role ship.... which the traits support, as well.

"Dedicated" exploration ships: Every covops, their T1 counterparts, the astero, the stratios, T3s in certain configurations.

How do you figure that, not only is there ONE TRUE DEDICATED EXPLORATION SHIP, but also that it is the limited edition, no-skills-required Gnosis?


A multi role ship that very poorly multi roles, nice. You also need to define multi role. It does NOTHING anything else can't, while other ships can do more. It being a limited ship gives way to irony in your statement. It should be highly useful entirely on account of it being limited. Unlike say, T3 Roll.

No low sp player would be able to run ded4 in the gno simply because it's a gno. They would also struggle just as much to run any level3 mission that they would typically struggle in a counter part bc. Support skills and so on.. typically ignored by low sp players over guns guns guns until mandatory.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#14 - 2016-01-13 11:07:21 UTC
The eve uni wiki is clear with its advice to this ship: its not something for the low skilled to run effectively. That said your tutorials spit you out with a barely skilled destroyer and the standings to run 2-3s in your home corpartaion. The gnosis even with rubbish starter skills can handle this.

Its great for what its designed to do: give a newbie something he can fly when he can't afford to replace nothing. He can grind his 2s and 3s in this badly and along the way earn enough to buy something hes nows skilled enough (player and toon) to fly.

My only Qualm about them is how they aren't given to every new sub for free when they first sub. Cos they should be.

Will gank for food
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-01-13 14:11:28 UTC
Makavelia wrote:


A multi role ship that very poorly multi roles, nice. You also need to define multi role. It does NOTHING anything else can't, while other ships can do more. It being a limited ship gives way to irony in your statement. It should be highly useful entirely on account of it being limited.


I've been tackled on gates by enough Gnosis to know that they definitely have their uses. That said, no, being limited does not mean it should be useful.

See: Every other limited edition anything they've given out, save the Gecko (which were an even bigger mistake). I'm hoping the all trinkets, all the time Christmas gifts means they've finally learned their lesson on this point.

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