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Nitshe Razvedka
#81 - 2016-01-13 07:58:56 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Well, given that I have asked you multiple times to provide context, in straight text, and you have failed to do so...

Let others read and decide.

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#82 - 2016-01-13 08:01:29 UTC
Did I offend your precious SJW feelings?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#83 - 2016-01-13 08:01:45 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Why is this thread not gassed yet? Can we return to high-quality pirate stories and the like?


Ria Nieyli wrote:
I now hate Australia almost as much as France.



Shows what a bully is, here and there. Advocating "FOR" domestic violence is beyond the pale. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror.


I think you're missing the point of portraying women only as victims and men only as agressors.

When I read the headlines, I thought "wow, at least one government on Earth grasps that domestic violence haves no gender or age", only to be WTF by how "Men's help line" was adresed to potential agressors and not victims. Shocked

"I need help, my wife abuses me and beats our children" "Sorry, you're not politically correct, tough luck" What?
Nitshe Razvedka
#84 - 2016-01-13 08:18:28 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Why is this thread not gassed yet? Can we return to high-quality pirate stories and the like?


Ria Nieyli wrote:
I now hate Australia almost as much as France.



Shows what a bully is, here and there. Advocating "FOR" domestic violence is beyond the pale. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror.


I think you're missing the point of portraying women only as victims and men only as agressors.

When I read the headlines, I thought "wow, at least one government on Earth grasps that domestic violence haves no gender or age", only to be WTF by how "Men's help line" was adresed to potential agressors and not victims. Shocked

"I need help, my wife abuses me and beats our children" "Sorry, you're not politically correct, tough luck" What?

Do your reading and understand bell curve statistics. Don't hang your hat on outliers. The majority of cases of domestic violence are men. Women need these service's more than men. More women are killed through domestic violence than men. More women and children are seriously damaged by men. Look to the bell curves and not winey men's groups.

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#85 - 2016-01-13 08:22:24 UTC
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.
Scipio Artelius
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#86 - 2016-01-13 08:32:10 UTC
Maybe we can cool it down a bit before this goes right off.

I don't think that WA Government website is trying to do the wrong thing, they could probably just advertise some of the services for all victims better.

In Australia, 74% of domestic violence against men is performed by other men (usually an older male), not by women, so I think they are taking the approach that if you can assist people at risk of aggression, then you can help all victims of domestic violence, both men and women.

WA has the 2nd highest raw number of domestic aggression in the country, but the 4th highest population by State, putting it as the highest rate of domestic violence in the home for the whole country.

Overwhelmingly, women face the highest risk at 3-4 times the rate of males in WA and almost exclusively, violence against women is by men.

So all domestic violence, whether against men or women is bad and I think it is fair to say that men report domestic violence even less than women do.

I think all WA are doing there is trying to reach out to males at risk of being violent because male victims are unlikely to reach out unless the violence is public or reported by someone else; and are also working on the stats that show that where males are affected by domestic violence in the home, there are often women also affected (even if emotionally and not physically) because the violence is from the one person.

It's a bit tough to hate on the government just because they have taken an unusual approach in the hope of preventing violence rather than simply responding to it when it's reported.
Nitshe Razvedka
#87 - 2016-01-13 08:32:34 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.

Thank goodness my government in Australia prioritises resources and not you.

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#88 - 2016-01-13 08:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Overwhelmingly, women face the highest risk at 3-4 times the rate of males in WA and almost exclusively, violence against women is by men.


Is that official statistics? Many men don't report violence against them. In fact, women perpetrate domestic violence against their partners at a higher rate than men. It's worth it to point out that lesbian couples experience DV at a higher incidence than heterosexual ones. And do you know why? It's not because women are more violent than men. It's because of people like Nitshe here that flood the public information realm, telling people that you can get away with physical abuse if you're a woman. But not if you're a man. In fact, hitting a woman even in self-defence is frowned upon. Your wife hits you and your call the cops? You're going to jail for the night to cool off. Et cetera, et cetera.

Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.

Thank goodness my government in Australia prioritises resources and not you.


I don't live in Australia, dumbass.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#89 - 2016-01-13 08:46:41 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.

Thank goodness my government in Australia prioritises resources and not you.

Yeah thank goodness. Roll

Pretty disgusting line of trolling you've decided to take, Nitshe.

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Nitshe Razvedka
#90 - 2016-01-13 08:50:52 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Overwhelmingly, women face the highest risk at 3-4 times the rate of males in WA and almost exclusively, violence against women is by men.


Is that official statistics? Many men don't report violence against them. In fact, women perpetrate domestic violence against their partners at a higher rate than men. It's worth it to point out that lesbian couples experience DV at a higher incidence than heterosexual ones. And do you know why? It's not because women are more violent than men. It's because of people like Nitshe here that flood the public information realm, telling people that you can get away with physical abuse if you're a woman. But not if you're a man. In fact, hitting a woman even in self-defence is frowned upon. Your wife hits you and your call the cops? You're going to jail for the night to cool off. Et cetera, et cetera.

Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.

Thank goodness my government in Australia prioritises resources and not you.


I don't live in Australia, dumbass.

Who said you did?

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#91 - 2016-01-13 08:51:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Is that official statistics? Many men don't report violence against them. In fact, women perpetrate domestic violence against their partners at a higher rate than men.

Yeah, those are official statistics and violence against men is definitely less reported in Australia.

I think the issue in WA is greatest in the indigenous community, so there is also another complicating factor.

It's not an easy issue all around.

Quote:
It's worth it to point out that lesbian couples experience DV at a higher incidence than heterosexual ones. And do you know why?

If I was joking, I'd say becase WA is a redneck State and lesbians aren't allowed, which makes them angry; but I hope MrEd doesn't read that (just a very poor taste joke in any case).

It's a really difficult issue and the website could be improved, even if the government's approach isn't actually wrong, because there are services for males, but they are often provided through the charity services.

In any case, we are so far off topic, I'm suspect we might receive a visit from the ISD.
Nitshe Razvedka
#92 - 2016-01-13 08:57:12 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.

Thank goodness my government in Australia prioritises resources and not you.

Yeah thank goodness. Roll

Pretty disgusting line of trolling you've decided to take, Nitshe.


Separate your issue = Custody for single fathers (which I support and live), with what was discussed about domestic violence.

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#93 - 2016-01-13 08:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Erica Dusette wrote:

ABF is one of the best things our country has.
Ria Nieyli
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#94 - 2016-01-13 09:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Is that official statistics? Many men don't report violence against them. In fact, women perpetrate domestic violence against their partners at a higher rate than men.

Yeah, those are official statistics and violence against men is definitely less reported in Australia.

I think the issue in WA is greatest in the indigenous community, so there is also another complicating factor.

It's not an easy issue all around.

Quote:
It's worth it to point out that lesbian couples experience DV at a higher incidence than heterosexual ones. And do you know why?

If I was joking, I'd say becase WA is a redneck State and lesbians aren't allowed, which makes them angry; but I hope MrEd doesn't read that (just a very poor taste joke in any case).

It's a really difficult issue and the website could be improved, even if the government's approach isn't actually wrong, because there are services for males, but they are often provided through the charity services.

In any case, we are so far off topic, I'm suspect we might receive a visit from the ISD.


Of course that it could be improved. That's some Minority Report **** right there. "You feel like you might perform a criminal offense by beating up someone? Call yourself in now! What's that? Your wife hit you? We're not interested."
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#95 - 2016-01-13 09:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.

Thank goodness my government in Australia prioritises resources and not you.

Yeah thank goodness. Roll

Pretty disgusting line of trolling you've decided to take, Nitshe.


Separate your issue = Custody for single fathers (which I support and live), with what was discussed about domestic violence.

Actually the issues are very closely related which is why I chose to link the #21fathers page to highlight how wrong your statement about resource priorities was.

Gender bias pervades every part of our family law and domestic violence plays a big role in that. For example some stats recently tabled before parliament showed that a staggering 84% of domestic violence claims by women in Queensland's family courts were found to be without merit. Because of our society and legal system's bias against men DV is often able to be used in family law as an "I win" button by women. All part of where those #21fathers come from, Mr Nitshe.

In any event DV is a real problem that effects all family members and adults of either gender. Including an enormous amount of male victims. #endallDV.

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#96 - 2016-01-13 09:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Erica Dusette wrote:
Actually the issues are very closely related which is why I chose to link the #21fathers page to highlight how wrong your statement about resource priorities was.

Gender bias pervades every part of our family law and domestic violence plays a big role in that. For example some stats recently tabled before parliament showed that a staggering 84% of domestic violence claims by women in Queensland's family courts were found to be without merit. Because of our society and legal system's bias against men DV is often able to be used in family law as an "I win" button by women. All part of where those #21fathers come from, Mr Nitshe.

In any event DV is a real problem that effects all family members and adults of either gender. Including an enormous amount of male victims. #endallDV.

There's definitely nowhere near enough funding for services to support men, especially the genuine (most) fathers that want to continue in the life of their children after a separation.

False accusations and denial of access are just as serious a case od domestic violance (even after a separation) as any sort of physical violence and there's always the assumption that the mother is right and the father wrong.

We have such a long way to go.

Quote:
Of course that it could be improved. That's some Minority Report **** right there. "You feel like you might perform a criminal offense by beating up someone? Call yourself in now! What's that? Your wife hit you? We're not interested."

There's other ways to interpret it, but I don't think continuing to argue about it in the forum serves much purpose.

We should get back to CODE.
Nitshe Razvedka
#97 - 2016-01-13 09:24:11 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nitshe, you are the cancer on today's society.

Thank goodness my government in Australia prioritises resources and not you.

Yeah thank goodness. Roll

Pretty disgusting line of trolling you've decided to take, Nitshe.


Separate your issue = Custody for single fathers (which I support and live), with what was discussed about domestic violence.

Actually the issues are very closely related which is why I chose to link the #21fathers page to highlight how wrong your statement about resource priorities was.

Gender bias pervades every part of our family law and domestic violence plays a big role in that. For example some stats recently tabled before parliament showed that a staggering 84% of domestic violence claims by women in Queensland's family courts were found to be without merit. Because of our society and legal system's bias against men DV is often able to be used in family law as an "I win" button by women. All part of where those #21fathers come from, Mr Nitshe.

In any event DV is a real problem that effects all family members and adults of either gender. Including an enormous amount of male victims. #endallDV.

My reference was to the current domestic violence campaign, not your issue. Please feel free to PM me on your issue of custody, I used your resources and simular networks in Qld to win custody of my son.

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#98 - 2016-01-13 09:32:43 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
We should get back to CODE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#99 - 2016-01-13 09:51:58 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
We have such a long way to go.

Yep. Straight

Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
My reference was to the current domestic violence campaign, not your issue.

Same issue really. Not to diminish the current campaign's merits (any campaign against DV of any kind is great) but once again we see the same old bias and complete lack of appreciation for the fact women aren't the only victims.

I only bothered posting because like Ria all I saw in the link posted was a complete lack of support for male victims and an automatic assumption that all perpetrators are men. Scip saw it a little differently, a unique approach at reaching out to potential perpetrators. I don't quite agree, but Scip's always been more level headed than me anyway. Oops

Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Please feel free to PM me on your issue of custody, I used your resources and simular networks in Qld to win custody of my son.

Glad to hear your issues worked out in your favor. Smile

Mine did also.

I've spoken to Scip about my issue because he's ♥, and my corpmates are very familiar with my RL goings-on. But beyond that I don't really share personal stuff with strangers online. But thanks for the offer anyway, and all the best for you and your son's future.

I'll gtfo now so people can return to CODE bashing etc.

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Nitshe Razvedka
#100 - 2016-01-13 11:57:58 UTC
All's well that ends well, had you not entered the discussion I would never have met you to say thanks. Big smile

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