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January release - General feedback

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2016-01-12 10:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
The January release has been deployed on January 12 during a regular downtime. Please use this thread for general feedback and discussions.

This release brought an Electronic Warfare effects bar and the new Tronhadar Ink SKIN line starting with Minmatar hulls, as well as, improvements to the new star map and further enhancements to the opt-in camera controls. Additionally, numerous smaller, yet not less important tweaks, fixes and improvements have been deployed. And finally new CREST options have been introduced which allows for better third party tools.

The full details of all changes and improvements are available in the January release patch notes.


Please report issues with the release on the PC in the January release issues thread.
For Mac users, there is, as always, a thread on the Macintosh forums for discussion of this release.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-01-12 12:19:48 UTC
No Bug in a Box fixes? Any ETA on any of those?


  • EBR-62828/EBR-53856 - Fitting errors changing ships using Ship Maintenance Array or when jumping wormholes
  • EBR-54665/EBR-54406 - Missing ship rigs and modules
  • EBR-58754 - Missing modules from hotkey menu
  • EBR-59384 - Missing modules from hotkey menu after undocking from station
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2016-01-12 12:24:23 UTC
New map:

  • You still have not made it possible to hide bookmarks on the Universe view and have them show in the system view. How often do I need to repeat that until I crack open that thick skull? Lag and freezing due to the bookmarks when you zoom around in the universe view has improved, but it's still there.
  • The starry backrground still makes it hard to distinguish between stars in the cluster and just background images. How often do I need to repeat that until you remove the starry background. The map does not need to look this kind of pretty, it needs to be useful.
  • Stars/Regions, info/data visualization still fades towards the edges of the map. This is useless and the kind of pretty that has no place in a map. How often do I need to repeat myself until you remove that fade effect?
  • The universe map still starts me off in a completely random location when I open it and not centered on my actual location. This is useless and makes information gathering harder. How often do I need to repeat that until you remove that feature and make the map more useful?

System map:


  • The new indicator for low number data (1 person in a system, for instance) is still completely useless and provides no information at all. If you zoom out just a little bit it turns the entire map into a sea of yellow slug.
  • Why is there a fade effect on the scan probe bubbles? The top/bottom bubble's edges fade out and become darker, but the left/right bubble's edges don't. Useless eyecandy without any purpose and actually makign the map less useful.
  • In general, the mouse cursor does not change the way it used to when you, for instance, hover over the edge of a bubble (indicating that you can now drag the radius around). That's counter intuitive and makes the map inferior to the old map.
  • Why are the fade effects when you click on the probe handle or the bubble edges? That is completely useless and in fact makes scanning harder as you also fade out the signatures you are scanning.
  • Signatures when they reach yellow/green state are too dark and, in combination with the fading when you hover over or click on something, become nearly invisible and thus hard to pinpoint and locate.
  • The thick planet orbit lines need to go away. They occlude the faint moon/belt icons and make them hard to locate/see.
  • If I click on a stack, for instance, a planet with lots of moons, belts and bookmarks, the expanding list does not include everything that's in that stack, even if it's short. I had an example in 49-U, planet 6, where the stack only shows the 8 moons, the planet, but not the bookmark on that planet in the tooltip list.

Probe scanner:

You still have not move the scanner buttons back to the middle of the window where they belong to and are more useful and easier to use than at the top.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Iphigeneia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-01-12 12:26:31 UTC
So, what do these new skins look like? Did I miss a dev blog introducing them? I didn't see them in the New Eden Store, either.
Jacob Ziggs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-01-12 12:30:08 UTC
Iphigeneia wrote:
So, what do these new skins look like? Did I miss a dev blog introducing them? I didn't see them in the New Eden Store, either.


They are blue and silver if I am not mistaken.
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-01-12 12:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
New Map.


- I dont understand why people complain about the star background.. It doesnt effect the visibility of the systems at all...

- CCP Still havent made the system names anymore visible (apart from the adjacent systems) Which means the map is useless as a map... Roll

- Still havent made the system lines anymore visible (when in statistics view). Which means the map is useless as a map. Roll

Bottom line... A maps purpose is to orient and show you things you cant see with the naked eye. I can see what systems I am adjacent to... they are on my overview.(gates). I need to see systems that Im not directly connected too... Why cant you understand this CCP... Get rid of the fade... so we can see system connections and names in a entire region..
Roll

People have been saying this for a very long time. Why are you not listening !

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |
Memphis Baas
#7 - 2016-01-12 12:53:56 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
How often do I need to repeat that until I crack open that thick skull?
How often do I need to repeat myself until you remove that fade effect?
How often do I need to repeat that until you remove that feature and make the map more useful?


The answer, in each case, is 472.

How many times have you repeated thus far? Clearly, every time you, personally, Rivr Luzade, repeat, they increase the priority, but due to the backlog of issues during the holidays, it's 472 currently.

Please do keep repeating, it makes a HUGE difference.
Sylvia Kildare
Kinetic Fury
#8 - 2016-01-12 14:33:12 UTC
Iphigeneia wrote:
So, what do these new skins look like? Did I miss a dev blog introducing them? I didn't see them in the New Eden Store, either.


Hey hey!

Enjoy: http://imgur.com/a/yTBSV
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#9 - 2016-01-12 16:07:44 UTC
So what's the name of this release then ? Cool

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2016-01-12 17:22:50 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
So what's the name of this release then ? Cool

There is no name. CCP has finally gotten their senses back (at least in this matter) and changed back to Expansions with unnamed point releases like it used to be pre-2014.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Sylvia Kildare
Kinetic Fury
#11 - 2016-01-12 18:41:25 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Freelancer117 wrote:
So what's the name of this release then ? Cool

There is no name. CCP has finally gotten their senses back (at least in this matter) and changed back to Expansions with unnamed point releases like it used to be pre-2014.


Although a dev last month said December 1.0 could be referred to as "Operation Frostline."

I suppose, given the theme music this patch day, alternate title is "Magnificent Realm" if January 2016 1.0 is too plain for one's tastes (also, adding the year suggests they think they'll still be calling patches by the month name by this time next year).
Sophia Mileghere
Scandium Defense and Security Inc.
#12 - 2016-01-12 19:50:20 UTC
Is there a reason for the change at the circle menu?
Specifically, I am referring to the position for storing bookmarks.
Belial Darksoul
Darksoul Systems Ltd
#13 - 2016-01-12 21:28:49 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
New Map.


- I dont understand why people complain about the star background.. It doesnt effect the visibility of the systems at all...

- CCP Still havent made the system names anymore visible (apart from the adjacent systems) Which means the map is useless as a map... Roll

- Still havent made the system lines anymore visible (when in statistics view). Which means the map is useless as a map. Roll

Bottom line... A maps purpose is to orient and show you things you cant see with the naked eye. I can see what systems I am adjacent to... they are on my overview.(gates). I need to see systems that Im not directly connected too... Why cant you understand this CCP... Get rid of the fade... so we can see system connections and names in a entire region..
Roll

People have been saying this for a very long time. Why are you not listening !



if there was a way to turn off the starry background then it'd be ideal. so much clutter in space the bright-dark background makes it hard to read the little tiny text on the overview among others. not a deal breaker for me by any means but if the option existed then it'd be what i'd do. switch it off and have a black background to work with.....or at least a darker "space" background. i don't have the greatest sight any more and i wonder if others feel the same here.
Sophia Mileghere
Scandium Defense and Security Inc.
#14 - 2016-01-12 22:17:28 UTC
By the way: It was said by CCP some months ago in a Devblog that CCP knows that the players want alliance bookmarks.
It was in the Devblog to the update at which the number of corporation bookmarks was increased.
Unfortunately, it added no other infos.

Because to the developer is known that the Bookmarks are wished for alliances, can we count in the next updates on it?
Porucznik Borewicz
GreenSwarm
#15 - 2016-01-12 22:37:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Porucznik Borewicz
Can someone please explain to me the logic between CCP development process? You guys try to feed us with the new camera controls and useless 1st person views when there are STILL bugs in the old camera system “implemented” somewhere in the middle of 2015. Today I got the lock view bug AGAIN in the old camera system ( pic related – http://puu.sh/mttd3/f0e8b9fe8b.jpg ). What is going on CCP? This is getting on my nerves as I more and more lose patience with this game of yours. Every time the game gets “patched” you plant some new bugs into it. Jeeezus...
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#16 - 2016-01-13 00:42:18 UTC
back to undocking and being stuck in (and seeing) the structure of my ship until I scroll out

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Zerry
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-01-13 02:37:11 UTC
I jump into my ship, from my shipmaintenance array and this happens, on a daily basis.

- The capacitor enters invisibility mode, wich is quite unfortunate as im VERY dependent on it, as im not in a capstable ship.
- Several items on the ship gets listed as not online. But they still somehow work, and they give me a Nice fat Message that interrupts gameplay everytime I have a session change.

But after logging out and on a couple times, Things sort its self out. ( its like playing the lotto)
Lets just hope the fc's doesnt have any neut intensive warfare planned. heh. or that all my modules are on and functioning when i reship to back into Battle.


- I decide to try the new camera option. Thinking this will be interesting. Oh wait, you can not focus it @ 5 degree on most Things. I have to mindlessly klick "c" to get it to turn. I Guess we that pvp must og back to how it was in the good old days eh.
- This 1 person mode is as usefull as the overload function on a warpfeild generator. (if you didnt know, warpfield generators can be overloaded to get a Shorter cyckle, but if you have played the game, you know that when you want to take the bubble Down you have to wairt for the cyckle to end, and can only initiate a overload before the cyckle starts lol)


TD:LR

Fix the gamebreaking bugs, and dont always realease stuff just because someone says it looks good on paper!
Stephan Scarsdale
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-01-13 02:43:09 UTC
Porucznik Borewicz wrote:
Can someone please explain to me the logic between CCP development process? You guys try to feed us with the new camera controls and useless 1st person views when there are STILL bugs in the old camera system “implemented” somewhere in the middle of 2015. Today I got the lock view bug AGAIN in the old camera system ( pic related – http://puu.sh/mttd3/f0e8b9fe8b.jpg ). What is going on CCP? This is getting on my nerves as I more and more lose patience with this game of yours. Every time the game gets “patched” you plant some new bugs into it. Jeeezus...


Got this too, a lot, last time I played before this new patch.

And I too hope they move away from breaking old stuff or working on new stuff that works worse: new map and new camera are both features I hope NEVER replace the old ones.
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#19 - 2016-01-13 03:54:09 UTC
Hmm. So some art persons and devs had time to whomp up yet more shiny ship skins for us to spend real world money on. But didn't get around to fixing the bugs from older releases/mini-expansions. Instead we were given more bugs to find, report on, and be an unpaid QT Coalition.

Priority list conversation time perhaps? To fix a game client that's becoming blatantly unplayable for some Paying Customers?

If 'needs more pfssssh' is Icelandic for 'sorry about the bug infestation and broken promises we're on it right now', then I'll back off a bit on the squeaky wheel antics. Yes I get it you're betting on the VR game Valkyrie doing massive sales business, but you might want to pay more attention to your payroll making/building utilities payments/future investment cash junker called Eve Online. I don't want moar skins. I want a mouse cursor that works, a camera that doesn't glitch, an undock that's not a black screen gank gamble, a Launcher that doesn't eat itself, a Repair tool that Repairs, for the game server to not be so delicate that any tiny hiccup in a random connection jump leads immediately to a Socket Closed, and promises made to be followed through on.

TL;DR

I want a game client I'm paying to play on to work properly that's run by a company that keeps it's word to it's customer base.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Ein Herje
Operation Grayskull
Fraternity.
#20 - 2016-01-13 07:43:30 UTC
I love CCP, your game is awsome, stop listening to and doing everything that the CSM tell you to do because they think "It's cool" and "awsome", give them all a boot to the head and go back to being a game company, not a democracy. Is there a graph somewhere to look at and get a general idea on which alliances votes for the CSM, maybe include some graph or use the new awsome map to show (when you get it to work properly and in line with people who plays the game's wishes) where these people for the most time inhabits the space, we might get a general idea about who it is that really runs the development at CCP headquarters.

I am too, tired of sockets closing and blackscreen when I undock, I hope you sort it out soon.
The disconnect bug has been here for something like 6 months now and I don't dare to do any missions, I don't want
to lose my Vargur missioning, as I know from the past I will only get a "nothing wrong here it must be you" message and no compensation. ( I only ever petitioned twice back in 2007-08 )

Also there has been too many changes lately, change is good sometimes yes, but I find myself logging in and just reading up about stuff all the time, when I instead really just want to play the game and enjoy. The only real great feature lately was the awsome industry interface, all other releases have in my opinion just been confusing, reading walls of text in patch notes which I can only understand half of.

"Logistics Frigates may now enter small factional warfare complexes." I get it.
"ALT+marquee will now allow for drilling down into clusters" Wut?

Dear CCP please help...
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