EVE General Discussion

Also, regarding the imaginary "high sec majority": Why is it assumed the interests of this group would be shared?

Even when I could be reasonably said to "live" in high sec, I really doubt what I wanted to see happen to high sec even remotely mirrored the positions of whatever this "high sec majority" is believed to want.

lol, thank you!!

Doesn't falsify my claim though, lol.

So they're pretty much entirely unrelated, apart from both being large nullsec powers?
I mean, you're trying to make CFC out to rule the entirety of nullsec? Spoiler alert: They don't. Never have, probably never will. Last time they controlled half of their territory, TEST decided they could rule on their own, and when sov. and jump changes were on their way, CFC retracted into the territory they knew they could control (And seeing how N3 struggled with controlling vast amounts of space after the changes, in hindsight that may have been wise).
If you want to suggest that CFC are ruling EVE, however, that's... not really true. Especially not in regards to the CSM.

So please, try again. It's like discussing with Xenuria, I always leave with a sense of superior intelligence.

Bit problematic, eh?

I really would like one of the self-appointed representatives of the "high sec majority" to lay out a brief list of their assorted action-items.

I'm... curious.

For every toon in the CFC it is likely that there is another toon of the same player in another area of space, be it High Sec, WH, Low sec, ...

So saying that any null sec bloc can't represent the rest of the game is very likely to be incorrect.

The only way to know who represents what is to get rid of the anonymity of alts, and have them linked publicly. As far as I know only one candidate is pushing this (see my sig).

So what about having CCP publish the names of all the alts of all candidates that will choose to formally apply for CSM this year? This way we all would have a clear view of what each player behind their public alt truly stands for.

Man-go.

"Go to H1Z1." They go.
"Vote for X, Y and Z." They go.

Simple.
Right there for you to read.

If you are going to go with that sort of thinking, then why didn't the kickstarter succeed?

Like, if it's just as simple as the top of the CFC saying something, then surely the target should have been easy.

What you must consider is that in doing so, it removes the capability of said player performing certain actions within Eve, such as HS PVE to fund pvp, and other things such as removing their capability to spy with any of their accounts.

Having said that, it's also extremely easy for a player to "hide" account association.

I can create a separate bank account, with a separate card, on in my wife's name, and CCP would not know the association.

And you did not think that was a convoluted way of saying that? You could also have said that CFC is akin to every other well-functioning organisation with a strong hierarchy, and point to any other EVE organisation that is able to thrive. When all you do is link to a post about one alliance ('Mangos') poised to take over most of nullsec, you're not really making any clear attempt at a reference.
Maybe, for those of us not inside your little bubble, you could work on your comparisons?

But even with your clarification, how is that a problem? I started by saying "if you want less CFC influence, don't vote for CFC, and organise the non-CFC vote." If you run better candidates and campaigns than the CFC, then CFC will lose. It's one of the most basic things in political science.
If you want to make all of CFC look like sheep, then you also failed. When nullsec blocs seem to vote in bloc, that's no different from members/supporters of modern parties voting for the candidate that a party leadership has decided to endorse (Or, more practically, to have run for the party in the election). You would likely find that members of nullsec alliances more often than party members swapped out people, so they did not follow the official "party" endorsement. I did, and I know several others who did.

Actually, this is mostly hitting yourself. You are so bad, so unpopular, so unable to organise, that even though you claim to be a large majority (62% or thereabouts?), a small minority can outvote you quite handily. If you want to whine against CFC for being better at elections than yourself, remember that you claim to be the majority, and nothing is standing between you and an election victory except your own competence and popularity.
CFC can, according to your comparison, make even the most slave-esque sheep vote, while all the (Comparatively) free-thinkers and nice people of hisec are staying away? Apparently, your failure is that you're so much worse than CFC, even with all the cards on your hand you're unable to win elections.

What if they do know about it, and they just don't care? I'll tell you a secret, I know all about it, and I don't care one jot. Never voted, never have, never will. Whether we need em or not, or they're relevant or not, it doesn't make one spit of difference to me. I'm here to shoot at spaceships. If a CSM comes along with some kind of influence that changes the cold, hard nature of EVE Online, I unsubscribe, and at the end of the day, that's on CCP, not the CSM. They're little more than liaisons, and we have enough CSM minutes to see quite clearly that their attention is not just on nulsec, but on the game as a whole, to make it better for everybody. To compromise where it's needed.

Most of the plebs in highsec drilling ore with a pretty beam of light just don't care. As for nul, no one has any way of knowing who you're voting for, unless you tell them. Doesn't matter how much influence you have, as a leader, over the players under your 'command', they have a mind of their own, and you are insulting the player base and their capacity for self-agency by assuming all these things that you're assuming. Don't be that guy. Or be that guy, I don't care, but the latter will result in little more than returning the ridicule and insult that you're dishing out with these assumptions of the minds of people you know nothing about.