Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You don't need a masters in game design to understand that if you alter X, everything related to X also changes.

You talk of changing cloaks and other peoples hubris yet fail to address:

Non covert cloaks
Cloak & MWD to keep haulers safer
Wormholes
The weaknesses/trade offs attached to cloaks and the ships which can sport covert cloaks
How it will work in all areas of space


You just demand it be changed without so much as a word to the related activities and events. You are the one driving for a change, you are the one the responsibilities rests upon to show that none of the related events will be harmed by your plans or that they are also "overpowered" or "broken" alongside your original complaint.

But you have done none of these things, you've thrown your arms in the air and went "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FIX IT I DON'T LIKE IT!" and followed up by telling people who question it they are arrogant.

You don't even make an effort to allay concerns about other cloak related activity, like everyone else who hates them, "just nerf them to be how I want, and do it now".

So don't just whine about it, suggest a solution that a) works in all areas of space and can't be abused, b) has nil/negligibly effect on the non-afk cloaker and c) can still be used to usefully find a moving cloaked ship. To date, this has not been done (captcha style and minigames are just a horrid idea).

So what is your way to fix it everywhere, without unnecessary collateral damage?

Answer my question.

Suggest a solution that a) works in all areas of space and can't be abused, b) has nil/negligibly effect on the non-afk cloaker and c) can still be used to usefully find a moving cloaked ship


And also please stop glossing over the fact you can kill these in transit if you're that scared of them. An unwillingness to put the effort in doesn't translate to a broken mechanic. They don't magically teleport into your system


Edit: Although your complaint isn't even that they are AFK, merely that they so much as exist.

Oh, and the counter to cloaks has been and will be local, until CCP changes POS.

Details, we need details.

How long is too long? What makes you arrive at this value? How are you to implement it? What about scouts watching a POS for a drop as a simple use case? How fast do you think that could be macro'd so only real people are hit?


Of course no change is possible without consequence, that's why the first thing about change needs a solid reason behind the rationale for the change.


My counterpoint at this stage is: "No. You've failed to demonstrate a problem beyond 'I don't like it' and your solution is nothing more than "just nerf it, don't care how".

I mean, if it's "not that hard", then furnish us with the details. You'll make generations of whiners happy if you have the silver bullet.

And why is that? You've not brought a single thing to the table. Nothing. Your contribution is "It's not fair I get ganked by cloakies", "It just needs nerfed, and everyone else can suck it up"

So if you want a "proper" discussion, start acting like it. Currently you've brought absolutely nothing up for debate.

You keep saying you think it is unbalanced, you've not demonstrated or even attempted to demonstrate why they are unbalanced. You've also flip flopped from cloaks as a whole being overpowered to afk cloaking. Pick one.

You've not even attempted to discuss all the various counters to a neut in system and why they are not good enough. You've not discussed why only nullbears cry about the cloakers. Nothing, what you've done is roll up and go "yeah, they're totally OP and should be nerfed now and all that collateral damage is just 'opinions' "

No I dislike how cloaked ships can't be attacked.

Yes

Why are you letting them in? Kill them in transit.

Then you got nothing. Good to know.

Teckos
You are not appreciating that for ESTABLISHED, OPTIMIZING PLAYERS there is not cost to afk cloaky camping. Its done in addition to all the active pilots they have real life time to manage and who in turn are easily able to fund all accounts any ESTABLISHED, OPTIMIZING PLAYER might care to have.

Other players can of course afk cloaky camp if they are willing to pay absurd opportunity costs to do it and after they have paid the initial 2 PLEX skill investment (which is a significant barrier).
Bringing us back to:

Which is why afk cloaky camping is an established multiple account entitlement.

Afk cloaky camping is a bad game practice that should be ended without compensation.

Just ended. Snap of fingers. Gone.