Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"After large n+1 entities capture territory they effectively 'go to sleep'. They tend to drop into a maintenance-mode of ratting, moon mining and other sundry things that turn the concept of thunderdome into a farms & fields sloth model instead. "
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"Our dream of a constant thunderdome is never realized, because conflict keeps reaching equilibrium with greed goals."

The answer is clear, we need to move the ball.

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I'll admit it, it's late and I skimmed it. Is the tl;dr turn down the isk faucets and have the biggest ones move?

If so, sure, +1.

I'm always torn between refusing to click your obvious clickbait and actually understanding the context of your whiney rants.

The downsides I see to this are:

1. The existing example of nullsec incursions provide some evidence that people won't chase ISK faucets around and will just capitalise on it when it is in the local area; and

2. Since ISK would be harder to come by for most people normally, the market will adjust to match the level people can afford.

Number 1 might be affected by the fact that currently there's no need to chase incursions around, but is also definitely influenced by the difficulty in doing so.

Number 2 just seems like an obvious outcome.

Additionally, by making ISK faucets move around to encourage conflict, this would potentially create a forever war (I think that's kind of the idea) through income pressure, but provide little way to capitalise on that moving income (because lots of pvp in an area makes farming ISK difficult), while making it more difficult to afford to rebuild the warchest. So diplomacy might still be the best option to prevent conflict so that Alliances could farm and build.

Supply in war is just as important as the fighting. Reducing the ability of an Alliance to supply it's war machine, seems just as sure a way to bring an end to war as anything else.

Not sure that I'm right at all.

I did read it, and the redistribution of ressources has been suggested before in player features and ideas disscussion (I think it is called now). Your post except for moving the ball part, is the exact same you have been spamming for half a year to a year. Your idea never got any foot hold, which is why you keep spamming it in different threads. Stop spamming or do it in the right forum at least.

Though I am happy you did not use your tired old burgerbar analogy, thx for that at least.

The main point being, you have no proof that what you are suggesting would do anything for the conflict levels, as people will probably not care tbh. There is the example of nullsec incursions to speak against your theory. And accordig to your theory when the ressources inevitable land in the middle of goon land again, you guys will go in and fight for it, right ? So i just wonder what is stopping you now from going in and taking their moons now?

I can also not help thinking how this would fit perfect to the more nomadic nature of PL, and punish another entity that is traditionally more area bound. I have no sympathy for them, but on the other hand also for not you guys. I think one should also consider the consequences of making PL stronger and if that would really increase conflict or bring more of the current situation tbh.

So TLDR> I understand what you write, I actually am pro the rolling ball part of your suggestion. It is the rest of the foundation you build it on, I do not like (decreasing the size of low or high sec, and that null is what people really want).

A poorly written post to get players to read your blog! You can do better than that. And who exactly does this dream of a perpetual thunderdome belong to? An alliance, corp, majority of Eve players? Greed has very little to do with territorial conquest. It's driven by many things, but, greed is not a major factor.



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I go with "not clicking" as soon as I realise it is him.

As for Fozzie SOV it was a dud because it is annoying.
I don't and won't use Entosis and I do mine.
At least I get ore and ice from mining.

Look at the map. N3 was already in decline before Pheobe. The Russians have filled in the void ... and what has changed? There are less fights because SOV is a nuisance.
Who wants to play with plastic blocks when we had stone castles that we needed to lay siege to before?

Fozzie SOV makes the game shallow, no longer are you building your ships for more damage and sacrificing, no longer do you see your contribution to taking a structure.
Now all you do is sit on gates while little ships mess about somewhere in the systems around you.

It sucks.

Reduced complexity at the expense of depth.

I can agree from firsthand experience that this is indeed true, but I am not opposed to it.

There is no idea or feature in this post. Actually post it here. I'm not clicking through to read some blog.

Like the analysis of null, totally agree on the lack of incentives for the type of combat CCP want to see. In Mad Max people hunted each other across the wastes for fuel, sit in one spot and you'll run out and die; that spurs fighting. When resources are infinite everywhere for everybody it's hardly surprising that you end up with farmville.