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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-01-07 17:13:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidster
I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???

Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.

Even with bonuses it would appear to be difficult to jam anything bigger than a cruiser and you would have to basically gimp the jammer ship by having large number of mid slots fitted with jammers just to deal with a single cruiser. So that would mean no shield boosters, no scram, no web, no other defensive modules, just jammers and jammer support. That would appear to make ECM more or less infeasible, except maybe in a specialized fleet situation or something.

Is that the intention, or am I missing something?
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#2 - 2016-01-07 17:38:19 UTC
Yes, that is an intention.
So you started to learn skills.
So you started to fit strength enhancing modules, leaving no space for a tank.
So you started to use ships that actually got bonuses to it.
So you started to use actually trained chars for the job.

And ECM ship is a primary still. So, definitely not useless.
Arla Sarain
#3 - 2016-01-07 18:12:53 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???

Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.

Even with bonuses it would appear to be difficult to jam anything bigger than a cruiser and you would have to basically gimp the jammer ship by having large number of mid slots fitted with jammers just to deal with a single cruiser. So that would mean no shield boosters, no scram, no web, no other defensive modules, just jammers and jammer support. That would appear to make ECM more or less infeasible, except maybe in a specialized fleet situation or something.

Is that the intention, or am I missing something?

Rather than revisiting and revamping ECM, they did that.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-01-07 19:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Droidster wrote:
I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???

Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.


You have misunderstood jamming.

If you attack another ship and you activate your jamming module against that ship you get a % chance to jam the target taking into account your jammer's strength, distance to target for optimal and falloff calculations and the targets sensor strength. This % chance is a dice rolled at each jammer cycle, so you can jam a target with 1000 sensor strength with your 3 jammer strength. The jam will last for one jammer cycle then the dice is rolled again for the next cycle.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-01-07 21:57:38 UTC
Because of FALCON

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#6 - 2016-01-07 23:46:12 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Because of ROOK


Fixed Pirate

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Smendrik Von'Smendle
HighSecers United
#7 - 2016-01-10 22:04:29 UTC
I just watched a kitsune perma-jam a battleship with a minmatar specific jammer........if anything ECM seems broken
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-01-10 22:10:44 UTC
Smendrik Von'Smendle wrote:
I just watched a kitsune perma-jam a battleship with a minmatar specific jammer........if anything ECM seems broken

Was it a minmatar battleship?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#9 - 2016-01-10 22:20:24 UTC
ECM is in a good place right now, jammers that are unbonused only really work when used en mass on frigates with the proper racial jam. Unbonused jams even with info links don't do too much to larger ships, aside from ECM drones. Which tend to work thru sheer volume of jams being applied.

With info links and a dedicated jamming ship they can generally take a few ships out of the fight on the enemy side, just like damps and TDs also both can. The primary difference is psychological. The only ewar that could possibly use a buff is target painters and imo they need to cut them in half and triple the bonuses to dedicated paint ships. Tl;dr ECM is fine.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-01-10 23:46:43 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I was just looking at some modules and noticed that ECM jammers now have a strength of 3, huh ???

Considering that even a cruiser has a sensor strength of 16, you would need 6 matched racial jammers to jam it.

Even with bonuses it would appear to be difficult to jam anything bigger than a cruiser and you would have to basically gimp the jammer ship by having large number of mid slots fitted with jammers just to deal with a single cruiser. So that would mean no shield boosters, no scram, no web, no other defensive modules, just jammers and jammer support. That would appear to make ECM more or less infeasible, except maybe in a specialized fleet situation or something.

Is that the intention, or am I missing something?


Uh... sounds like you're missing just about everything there is to know about how ECM works.

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