Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Confirming you have absolutely no clue here, both fleets can use combat refitting, both sides can do it. If both sides in a fleet can combat refit then it's perfectly equal, just because someone doesn't or cannot do it, does not make it overpowered... You seem to not understand about combat refitting, how wormhole fights actually work (including going into someone elses hole, because by your rules, you seem to think you would know every single ship that every single pilot will field before they field it), with PvP in general and with what I (and many others in this thread) am saying. I have tried explaining to you and you haven't (or are unwilling to) understand; Therefore I won't argue the point any more with you. Sorry.


I'm not even sure what that is asking to be entirely honest. Sorry. Perhaps rephrase the question, will attempt to answer when I understand.



Negative, that's not what I am saying, and never once said that. But the good fights that you can have can be elongated by the fact combat refitting is a thing and can make them even better.


Sorry not quoting all that, getting far too long.

Okay dokay, so here's a scenario for you:

Fleet jumps a wormhole. Some caps and a whole fleet of T3's. Wormhole collapses. This fleet have gone Bhalls deep. The fleet start winning the fight. But as it's their enemies own hole, they reship and come back at range with more ships and knowing the fleet that was brought can't project out that far. They now have superior numbers and superior range.

Better yet, watch this video It shows exactly what I am trying to explain.

For the record, if you can't be arsed to watch it, we lost our Dreads, we pulled our fleet out by all purpose we lost the fight that day. We where the Bhalls deep fleet and it was an amazing fight that only lasted as long due to the ability to refit. Had we been unable to do just that, there would have been a very much shorter video.

Not to sound rude. But is this an alt? Five year old char in NPC corp with only two losses to his name? Because if it's your main, I am afraid, as you haven't done any combat refitting or experienced fight in which it is necessary, you cannot, come hell or high water, fathom what I am trying to say. (and no that's not meant as a sly "Post with your main" before you ask)

+1

Signed.

Its not broken... stop dumbing down the game CCP

It dumbing down the game, to...make people have to do more research, better prep their fleets, make sure they bring proper logi, and in turn making it so that carriers can't play as mobile refitting fortresses? Please tell me how you came up to the conclusion that CCP is anyway dumbing down the game by making this change? Hell seems to me they've just upped the difficulty curve.

Signed. It's a problem in one area of the game, there has to be a more creative solution thank a blanket nerf to the entire game.

signed

You F1 monkeys don't do research anyway - you fit according to the doctrine of your alliance and hit F1 when your FC tells you to.
Combat refitting puts at least some of that responsibility back to the individual pilot. I can understand why the average F1 monkey might be scared of that.

If combat refitting is so good because it awards adaptation. Then why is it that the people who are so in favour of it, are at the same time terrified of having to adapt to a world where it is changed?

Only fitting managers and fleet commanders will adapt their fits and strategies and Eve probably will become more boring as a result.
Signed, i think this change will be too much with the others. We should see how new capitals play out first. And for subcaps, CCP can increase gun volumes so people can't switch between AC and arty.

You don't seem to understand the problem I am having with your argument, not pointed out by me alone. The only thing I wanted to point out is that that argument of yours isn't an argument at all. To restate it in simple terms:

You acknowledge that if both sides can combat refit properly then it's perfectly equal. Great.

Then, again, you go on and tell me that this somehow applies differently in wormholes - your example is still as I understand it going with a small number of pilots against a larger defender in their hole.

So where did we lose the perfectly equal when going into the wormhole scenario?


The thing is you cannot always assume that your target (other group in their hole) doesn't understand the fitting mechanic - unless of course your strategy is to pick on amateurs (which shows really great skill going exclusively after weaker players). This is the problem I have with your argument, you stacked its premise in your favor without justification. And this makes your argument flawed. Yes, IF your opponents are a bunch of amateurs you have an advantage - BUT that is independent of the wormholes EVEN IF you assume that your targets are always amateurs (generally not the case).

let me poke at the point the wh dudes are trying to get at, i think;

removing combat refitting takes away something from invaders. not an advantage, but a levelling of the playing field. when someone invades your wh system, they come to your home, and you can watch them do so, then bring appropriate ships to counter them with proper fits for such, refitted from an anchored ship maintenance array at a pos, and never have to worry about combat refitting. when invading someone's hole, you can only bring what you can fit through the hole, and many times it collapses behind you. being able to refit in combat doesn't put invaders at an advantage over defenders, it puts them on the same level, in that aspect at least, which takes away one advantage of the already stacked deck favoring defenders



we assume because you don't post with your main. what are you afraid of? what reason could you have for posting with a noob corp alt? is digi going to kill your dog?