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Swaghetti YoIonese
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-01-01 10:44:51 UTC
Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#2 - 2016-01-01 11:14:15 UTC
Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:
Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious.


only a few, we call them "money changers"

Evelyn De Rothschild is one.

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Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#3 - 2016-01-01 14:57:51 UTC
I don't know that there are anymore. As I remember, there were large groups that were able to control and corner certain areas of the market and dictate prices but ccp eventually broke that up through expansions and game play changes.

On the individual level, I'd say not. At least for any substantial length of time. The market is just too big and dynamic for an individual to actually control a market over long periods of time that is essentially open 24/7.

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Darkstar01
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-01-01 16:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Darkstar01
Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:
Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious.


High end moon goo used to be controlled by a few major alliances, but not anymore.

Also I heard that a long time ago when you could earn Billions a day by selling NPC generated commodities to NPC in 0.0, the trade routes were controlled by a few groups.

Nowadays, Alliance tournament ships are being held by a small group of people. Hence the overpriced 120 Billion "Market Price". However, it takes over a month just to sell a single ship at that price.
Ellen Sukarla
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-01-01 17:08:01 UTC
The commodity trade routes are still open are they not?
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-01-01 17:37:05 UTC
These days it's closer to RW markets. Powerful players can still have a significant impact on certain markets but unfettered control is extremely unlikely. This is not due to CCP constraints and limitations on game mechanics thankfully but in the way that resources are distributed throughout the galaxy. In the cases where control can be exerted it's frequently to the financial detriment of the parties involved and for a limited time.
Darkstar01
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-01-01 18:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Darkstar01
Ellen Sukarla wrote:
The commodity trade routes are still open are they not?


They are, but I heard it was much more lucrative a long time ago (like over 5 years ago). I wasn't around at that time so I don't know from first hand experience. So this is just my speculation from the information gathered from random sources, which I don't know if it's true.

But it seems like the NPC buy orders were much bigger, they were like around 250,000 quantity. If you look at the "Market Activity" section for some 0.0 NPC corps, you can still see the last transaction for some of those commodities, with 200,000+ quantity, and the transaction was dated a few years ago.

Also, you use to be able to put more stuff inside a Carrier corporate hangar bay. I am thinking maybe around that time, you could also put a loaded freighter inside a Carrier corporate hangar bay - but this is also just speculation.
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#8 - 2016-01-02 03:28:55 UTC
no
Troy Cintryx
Strategic Operations Inc.
#9 - 2016-01-02 10:43:26 UTC
It's a little trickier now with things like EVE Central to monitor prices across the Universe, but it can be done.

One of the strategies that can be used is to find a high demand product that is hard to acquire, or takes a long time to make. You then buy all the stock you can find of it, and then resell it at x times the price. The market will eventually catch up to you, but not before you made a few billion.

Here's a simple example. Back before we had SKINs, we had unique ships like InterBus shuttles and the like. They were in relatively limited quantity. One time I noticed that supply was running short on these, so I bought all of them at around 200m each. I then relisted them for around 500m each. I made about 6 billion in about a week after all the units were resold.

Economic warfare is a legitimate thing. If you know a rival corporation buys a lot of their minerals from a certain region, buy all the minerals you can from that region and drive the price up. Conversely, if you know they sell a lot of products in a certain region, flood the market with those products.

These are just simple examples. There are many, many more ways to control and exploit markets.

Market manipulation is one of the more fun activities I participate in of all the things I do on EVE. It can be very risky, but it can also be very rewarding as well.

Plus one of the things I love, is that you will learn a lot about economics in a hurry.

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Angelica Everstar
#10 - 2016-01-02 11:17:57 UTC
Controlling all markets in EVE - no.

But I know players that control some markets of EVE. Even I do hold a few, and is currently working on adding another Twisted

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2016-01-02 15:24:47 UTC
I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax


I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#12 - 2016-01-02 15:55:51 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax


I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned



Can confirm it is pointless trying to muscle in on the Mustachio Wax, Bumblefck has it completely locked down.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-01-03 05:36:37 UTC
there are only a few products where a single player (or group) can effectively control the market for an extensive amount of time.

there are only very few basic ressources that are required to produce the vast majority of items in the game. as long as an item is made from these things, it can not effectively be controlled by one guy. eventually, making it will become so profitable that others will

if you want to control a market, find something that is very hard to farm.
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#14 - 2016-01-03 06:43:50 UTC
Troy Cintryx wrote:
but it can be done.


no it can't

you can have a large holding, you can use that holding to control a particular market - you can set up and control a market - you can be a big player in a particular commodity, etc

but in the sense that the question is asked - of an all-powerful universal conspiracy - the answer is no, no one controls the market

and if they claim they do, they are ripe for exploitation
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#15 - 2016-01-03 20:58:12 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax


I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned


and a quality product it is too.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'

Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-01-08 03:12:42 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax


I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned


and a quality product it is too.



I can confirm that Bumbles wax will keep pod goo out of your glorious lip caterpillar...

It can also be used for plugging up those annoying gaps in your minmatar hulls...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-01-08 21:09:30 UTC
Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:
Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious.


yes

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#18 - 2016-01-08 21:14:23 UTC
Legend has it that Bad Bobby is single-handedly manipulating the PLEX market.
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#19 - 2016-01-10 17:09:02 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:

if you want to control a market, find something that is very hard to farm.


^^ This ^^

Items with fixed supply (loot drops / mission rewards) can be game-able only after extensive time/capital has been put in acquiring items at or below the long term average price. A large enough inventory is required to exhaust the risk capital of competitors that believe they can influence prices on an item you are attempting to manipulate.

It is an extremely long game to pull off, but when done successfully you can fill competing traders with 10s of billions worth of inflated items as over the years the long term average price sits 5 to 10x+ higher than your entry point.

Remember that most traders do not see price history past a year Big smile.
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-01-10 22:46:44 UTC
Many of those lead to high-end Titans and related equipment.

Let's face it, even with support, one can hardly get into this without expecting some repercussion and active spying / assassination attempts if not successful.


This is about to change with the new Citadels and introduction to the related or time wise related content.

There will still be Big Players or larger than Alliances coalitions where even seemingly enemy Alliances scheme together, keeping backstabbing more efficient.

I'm not sure about the new financial capital ratios involved but it may beat Titans investments.

Large scale micro is not to be left out.

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