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***Petition*** Petition to keep the refitting mechanic as is!
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Zanthar Eos
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#121 - 2016-01-08 02:16:04 UTC
Signed
Logoshh Hellscream
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2016-01-08 02:17:16 UTC
Signed
Joel Freon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2016-01-08 02:17:17 UTC
Dont let them take away refitting..its a valid gameplay that requires some thought process and quick reactions (looking at you lazerhawks video)

Signed.
Andronitis
Suddenly Carebears
#124 - 2016-01-08 02:32:50 UTC
Signed.

There has to be a compromise here somewhere. Loosing the ability to combat refit is a serious blow to all small scale capital fights, especially wormholes where mass is limited and utility is valued.
Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#125 - 2016-01-08 02:40:40 UTC
Signed

ISD Cyberdyne liked your forum post
Ripley voltere
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#126 - 2016-01-08 02:41:50 UTC
Signed
Hidden Semen
Laserhawkz
#127 - 2016-01-08 02:43:04 UTC
As the CEO of one of the largest and best WH corps in EVE, I can say we definitely need refitting.

Signed
Long Muppet
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2016-01-08 02:44:22 UTC
Signed
Andy Koraka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#129 - 2016-01-08 03:02:18 UTC
Signed.
JohnHenry Holliday
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#130 - 2016-01-08 03:13:20 UTC
Signed.
Miss Alekto
not caring is best caring
#131 - 2016-01-08 03:14:16 UTC
Signed
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#132 - 2016-01-08 03:37:46 UTC
Signed
Dominus Alterai
Star Freaks
#133 - 2016-01-08 03:38:29 UTC
Good lord, SIGNED.

Reducing your holes to a quivering mess since 2009.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#134 - 2016-01-08 03:41:42 UTC
With the nerf to carriers this is no longer a needed change, it is just dumbing down eve combat and giving us less things to play with.

Signed.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#135 - 2016-01-08 03:43:38 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Prozn Zanjoahir wrote:
Signed.

As a relatively new triage pilot having watched a number of in fight refitting videos I aspire to be able to effectively refit during combat - a very hard thing to master - to multiply the power of my ship. It is one of the few roles in fleet that require individual skill. Please don't take it away.

Nothing about refitting in combat is 'easy mode'.


Except this change is the weapon timer. Not the aggression timer so it has no effect on logistics.

Which shows how little you know about this.

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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#136 - 2016-01-08 04:02:04 UTC
Signed

Refitting is a very cool mechanic, especially amongst subcap warfare. The coming changes will also really change the capital warfield and we should not pile on too many delta's at once.
SeVenNight Deng
Tai-Chi
#137 - 2016-01-08 04:44:32 UTC
signed
This is a few "skill" that can distinguish a good pilot or bad pilot, even though it is not difficult to perform, not many ppls can do it perfectly in different scenario
Chou Yakumo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#138 - 2016-01-08 05:05:50 UTC
+1 to keep refitting as it is

Refitting like bombing, manual piloting and pre scanner skill nerf combat probing (k162 sig spawn, the current dscan implementation of the beta scanner, among others) are/were a precious few available examples in eve where actual skill is more valuable than just throwing n+1 bodies at a situation.

The nestor was a complete pile of trash unworthy of consideration beyond a nice shiny hangar toy for those who liked that sort of thing, the addition of refitting made it a viable ship, back to the dumpster for the nestor i suppose.

The upcoming capital changes will render the proposed changes to refitting moot.

Removal of sand from sandbox.

All these points in isolation are worthy of a degree of caution when a proposed mechanics change will cause negative consequences, given this change will hit on all 4 points and im certain more competent people than i can increase this list rather quickly, id have to vote yes to keeping refitting as is, at least til 2 updates after the fax machines are released at which point we would have enough information to make a informed decision as to whether anything needed tweaking.
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2016-01-08 05:16:00 UTC
biz Antollare wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
-1 I do not support this petition, change is the nature of survival, and in this case, they are making the change to balance capitals (carriers specially) so that they have less of a swiss army knife role. Because honestly, part of Eve is knowing your enemy before you engage them.


this isnt a place to debate the petition. you either sign a petition or you dont.... nice alt post .


This is a place to debate the petition, because it called Player Features and Ideas Discussion not Player Features and Ideas Petition

This mechanic, ability to retrofit on the fly, in the MIDDLE of combat so that everyone has a counter, is an abysmal game play mechanic when it comes to finding intel, and actually properly fitting your fleet for the combat ahead. This mechanic in turn also GREATLY limits counter play, as combat then turns into who can identify and retrofit faster. That not strategy, that just who can click load loadout button faster.

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Nitris Denitrace
WeebFleet
Tsundere Triad
#140 - 2016-01-08 06:27:14 UTC
Signed.