EVE General Discussion

iirc low sec incursion especailly vans pay out nearly 20 mill for each site.

Man CCP... you guys have a lot on your plate lately. I'm already getting excited about the next expansion.

So, what you're saying is that the CSM (which consists of prety much only 0.0 leaders) was bitching that their pilots were up in high sec running incursions instead of being in their fleets in 0.0 like they want. I predict an incoming hard nerf since the squeaky whines are coming from the CSM this time.

WTF are you talking about? I'm not fan of the CSM principal reps atm, but I don't think this is accurate at all. Most of the CSMs represent big alliances, yes, but what are those alliances actually doing, exactly? A whole lot of NOTHING from what I've seen. PL used to be a major player in sov warfare and now they just float around looking for fights seemingly arbitrarily. The Goons are just screwing with miners in empire and practicing random acts of asshattery. TEST just bombs around null laying siege on random corps for no apparent reason and then forgetting about them... I've never seen the alliances of EvE as apathetic to sov as they are right now. It's not about REMOVING resources... it's about distributing them in non-conformal and unique ways. It's about giveing alliances a REASON to fight. They don't want to deny anyone anything necessarily. They want to tighten up the allocation of resources to keep alliances from sprawling. If a finite amount of high-quality resources are in a few systems, and those systems support the alliance, than the thinking goes there will be an upper limit to how far laterally an alliance will sprawl before the diminishing returns at the periphery of alliance controlled space cause corps to revolt against their keepers! If CCP were to make the resources something that can be sustainability harvested OR gutted for a quick payday and than depleted, alliances may form that just roll around and crush others. Incursions have nothing to do with it. At all. You're way off.

They can invent one of many available AIs.. but than it would become unplayable because everyone include null powerblocks would be eaten by NPCs.

Friend = another enemy which has got the superior position, because he knows a lot about you, your weaknesses and you dont pay attention enough.

No. No, no, no.

nullbear mega-blox RMTers do not need more monopolies. One alliance dumping all it's people into one low/null constellation and grinding half a billion isk per individual per hour is bad. 1 vg system supports approx 50 people... the nullbear alliances do not need the power to grind 1 super per hour per system with what adds up to be essentially NO risk. It would be trivially easy for asshat fucktards like goons to trigger uncontrollable inflation effectively removing everyone else from the game.

post less stupid next time.

NULL SECers once again crying because someone in HI SEC can make some ISK... Want to make REAL ISK with no RISK get a TECH MOON! I say NERF the TECH MOONs and say have drones poop techtanium dollups so its not just a NULL SEC passive farm item. At least HI sec Incursions are not a passive way to make you rich

spoken like someone who has never enjoyed a good book or movie while running logi on vanguards

sure its not PI, but it sure as hell isn't work either

Since we're talking about personal playstyles... I'll admit, maybe I don't want to adapt to certain changes... But I know that's my own issue, and I never make the argument "it's too hard for me to change." The argument I make, and will always make until it changes, is that life is too easy for nullbears. AFK empires should fall. Lazy empires should fall. Holding the same sov for more than a year should be a rarity. Change is life, permanence is death. Every change that has ever happened in nullsec has lead toward permanence, stagnation. Until nullsec is made permanently volatile (i.e. fresh), the ONLY viable long term careers in EVE is "nullbear stooge" and "nullbear RMTer" everything else being a dead end, and thus EVE being a dead end. That is why I will ALWAYS argue in favor of those who might topple the lazy afk RMTing behemoths, as those are the only changes that can stop EVE from dying. The only motivation I can think of for arguing (much less developing) in favor of the RMTing behemoths is if you stand to personally profit from their RMT. And if development heads even further in that direction, EVE is already dead but just doesn't know it yet.

Oh, and to frame my goon jab, I accept that they have a right to be dickheads, but I'm irritated that they are constantly rewarded for it instead of punished. That's not gamebreaking though, except for when it is (as is reflected in my argument against the five fold increase in null/low incursion payments.)

edit: I would be in favor of a change to incursion payouts to favor corps over individuals... To get current (or maybe even buffed) payouts in incursions, all fleet members must be in the same corp, else it's 10-20% lower than current rates. Perhaps even a sliding scale... 50% of fleet is in corp, and there's 50% of the corp bonus to the fleet. I would support this, even though it would nerf my own income, as I've only ever flown incursions with 1 corp member once.