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***Petition*** Petition to keep the refitting mechanic as is!
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Frodo is Swaggin
Jack's Complete Lack Of Surprise
Just let it happen
#101 - 2016-01-07 23:50:11 UTC
signed
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2016-01-07 23:50:36 UTC
If you are shooting people, you have to survive a minute to make changes. Seems very fair. Have to think strategically.

Plus, maybe more stupid people die.
Trishka Sukarala
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#103 - 2016-01-08 00:08:40 UTC
Signed.
Prozn Zanjoahir
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#104 - 2016-01-08 00:11:54 UTC
Signed.

As a relatively new triage pilot having watched a number of in fight refitting videos I aspire to be able to effectively refit during combat - a very hard thing to master - to multiply the power of my ship. It is one of the few roles in fleet that require individual skill. Please don't take it away.

Nothing about refitting in combat is 'easy mode'.
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2016-01-08 00:22:31 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
If you are shooting people, you have to survive a minute to make changes. Seems very fair. Have to think strategically.


In Triage you don't shoot at anyone and still get the timer.
You also can't just stop repping for a minute - you won't have a fleet left by then.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#106 - 2016-01-08 00:32:42 UTC
Prozn Zanjoahir wrote:
Signed.

As a relatively new triage pilot having watched a number of in fight refitting videos I aspire to be able to effectively refit during combat - a very hard thing to master - to multiply the power of my ship. It is one of the few roles in fleet that require individual skill. Please don't take it away.

Nothing about refitting in combat is 'easy mode'.


Except this change is the weapon timer. Not the aggression timer so it has no effect on logistics.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Vladimir Khurelem
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#107 - 2016-01-08 00:35:12 UTC
signing this
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#108 - 2016-01-08 00:43:40 UTC
biz Antollare wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Not supported, the current way of "adapting your ship" by refitting during battle is clunky and annoying while being almost mandatory since even if you don't do it, chances are the enemy will.

Instead - implement proper mode switch option(s) or a alt-fit which makes refitting more convenient and balanced. This could be balanced with spool-up timers, invulnerability or vulnerability windows etc.

What happened to rock, paper, scissors... Instead we have; always choose rock (buffer/tank), refit for paper (DPS) if you are not primary or refit for scissors (Sniper) if your target is too far. We are all just flying the cookie-cutter comps and anyone who does not gets owned. Boring if you ask me.




yea go through all the kills from today on Zkill and find me where everyone has refits for every situation. good luck finding even 1%.


So what would be the big deal of removing the clunky version of it and replacing it by an actual proper feature so that more than 1% starts using it?

I am also fully aware this mostly concerns capitals, which are the ones with enough buffer to properly use this technique which would skew the zKill stats if you count sub-caps.

Finally, what about those using this technique in PVE (which would not appear in zKill)? You are not defending this point so you can continue doing the solo dread in C5/C6 sites I hope? Maybe not you, but I don't see the argument "but this will nerf my ISK/hr technique" coming up a lot... for obvious reasons.

CCP announced this change in conjunction with the capital rebalance. Surely it would be wiser to await the final version of these changes before deciding which side you are on? In the meantime, I trust there was an actual reason why CCP decided to go ahead with these two together.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#109 - 2016-01-08 00:48:54 UTC
Prozn Zanjoahir wrote:
Signed.

As a relatively new triage pilot having watched a number of in fight refitting videos I aspire to be able to effectively refit during combat - a very hard thing to master - to multiply the power of my ship. It is one of the few roles in fleet that require individual skill. Please don't take it away.

Nothing about refitting in combat is 'easy mode'.


Who says something must be easy to justify it's removal from EVE? I know EVE has a reputation but I hope there are better reasons than that.

Things can be hard because it takes lots of practice, memory or experience to master. Sometimes it's just hard because the interface is not optimal.
Alexis Crane Sharvas
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#110 - 2016-01-08 00:48:57 UTC
Agreed, please don't touch the refitting mechanics.
Meltur
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2016-01-08 00:50:15 UTC
Signed.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#112 - 2016-01-08 01:02:43 UTC
signed, even though i was never very good at doing it quickly anyway.

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you're welcome
Cpt Patrick Archer
I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND ANIME ON MY SIDE
Blue Eyes and Exodia Toon Duelist Kingdom Duelers
#113 - 2016-01-08 01:11:03 UTC
Signed.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2016-01-08 01:12:36 UTC
biz Antollare wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
-1 I do not support this petition, change is the nature of survival, and in this case, they are making the change to balance capitals (carriers specially) so that they have less of a swiss army knife role. Because honestly, part of Eve is knowing your enemy before you engage them.




this isnt a place to debate the petition. you either sign a petition or you dont.... nice alt post .


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Its totally illogical to refit in a firefight. Bring the change!!

Naaa
Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#115 - 2016-01-08 01:24:02 UTC
I'm not going to go all the way and say that changes shouldn't be made, but there is a niche for combat refitting that would be a shame to be abolished entirely. I understand that keeping it as is making balancing quite difficult and maybe limiting that capability to a single class of ships which would make balancing far easier than trying to balance for all capitals.
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#116 - 2016-01-08 01:24:21 UTC
signed
SEVISGEN
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2016-01-08 01:31:56 UTC
signed
Ampere Tesla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2016-01-08 01:49:30 UTC
Signed.
Gigiarc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2016-01-08 01:58:20 UTC
-1
Combat refitting makes the ships using it far too powerful.
Omnarius Ziltoid
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2016-01-08 02:00:24 UTC
Signed.