Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 on keeping in-combat refitting. Nestors are cool and so are marauders.

+1 please keep for initial changes to see what happens.

Guessing you've never lived in a wormhole before, let alone had a wormhole cap fight?

That's okay, I won't hold it against you, but please learn what you are talking about before going on about something... Allow me to elaborate: When you go Bhalls deep into someones hole, you are sometimes closing the hole behind you. There is literally a limited number to the ships you can bring. Around 3 capitals and an assortment of Nestors / T3s / Logi. Whereas when you're jumping into someone home for a fight, whose ever home it is can literally blob the **** out of you with as many pilots and capitals as they have online (or can ping to get online) (it could go as far as the 70 vs 40 like what NoHo had against the goon wormhole corp. For the record, they wrecked our face off in a very good fight!). Refitting during combat allows the fleet jumping the hole, usually outnumbered if its a proper fight, to actually put up a decent fight and potentially win against stronger odds. Removing this while you have a combat timer just means yet more stagnation for bigger, already rare fights, in wormholes.

I agree with the let people give reasons though. If someone supports or does not support, it's fine for them to state why.

hell yeah, that is PART of the carriers job support

Signed, don't care about supers tho

TBH, this seems more like a reason for changes/additions to WH mechanics over a reason to keep the refit mechanics.


It's basically saying that we should keep a mechanic that basically hinders combats outside of WH space, in order to support combat in WH space.


I feel that if this issue is only relevant for WH space, then maybe something else should be done to make up for the loss in WH space.
Something like WH stabilization towers.
Mobile structures that aren't too difficult to destroy, but can keep the hole stable as long as there is a tower on both sides of the WH.
Towers have a limited life span, but an unlimited amount of mass can travel through during that time.
adds a tactical aspect to WH diving.
You might get trapped in their WH because the towers went down, or got blown up.
You might get overrun and they end up using your towers to invade your WH space.

Point is, you can't keep a mechanic in game that is basically like watching someone play BF4 with an aimbot and wall hack just because it's the only viable option for one niche area of space.
Instead, change the mechanic and then create something so that WH space isn't destroyed because of the change, and something limited to WH space so it can't be taken advantage of from outside WH space.

Signed

Everything up until that point was completely batsh-t stupid except for this. I believe doing this will matter more to Wspace than trying to hobble together combat refitting.

I don't agree with having to bring a suitcase with you to every engagement so you can barbie doll miracle room your fit for every occasion.

Does it suck losing combat refits.... Yes. It is hardly a necessity for small gangs or groups, as they normally did not have a pair of carrier in tow, the Nestor's have only been around for a year, and the mobile depots turned what required a billion isk ship on the field, an active pos you can get into wth a sma, or a space station, down to something that costs 500k and some cargo space.

Wspace will hardly collapse and small groups won't cave in because of it.

There are better ways to improve combat in eve, staring at your refit window and cargo hold shouldn't be one of them.

Sorry to be against the grain but no. It needs to go. Balance can't be achieved if people can actively manipulate their own stats, capabilities and abilities on the fly whenever they want in any situation regardless. There has to be a line.

This really isn't the place for a petition - try Assembly Hall.

+1