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[Arek'Jaalan] Project Heliograph

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#41 - 2016-01-03 21:07:06 UTC
I will contact someone who is very interested in research of Talocan technology. He may have something what you need.
EdXell
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-01-03 21:50:38 UTC
This is a bad plan. We don't know how to communicate with the drifters beyond the fact that they don't speak. We don't know how to recieve a reply that the drifters will never send anyway because they have shown absolutely no interest in communicating with us whatsoever.

On the other hand this is better than fighting them and maybe we'll learn something along the way. I don't have much but I'll send over what I can.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-01-04 02:19:41 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Quattras Peione wrote:

As for the concern over Viriel's involvement, I am less surprised than simply disappointed. Let us not forget that, first and foremost, the infomorph that was Dr. Borkstar is for all intents and purposes deceased. Those old grudges are irrelevant. Beyond that, and at the risk of sounding callous toward an individual that I still call friend, his present physiology makes him particularly suited to the project at hand and potentially instrumental in making any sort of meaningful breakthrough in deciphering the motives and methods of the Drifters.


With due respect, given Borkstar's history with regard to handling resources purportedly for the common good, you surely understand our concern. Did Borkstar ever, for instance, actually divvy up the salvage for that one Arek'jalaan operation he participated in? Did Viriel né Borkstar ever resolve that debt? Or did that gene therapy and amnesia wipe the slate for his various acts of malfeasance? Interestingly, we ran into similar issues on the several cases when né Borkstar participated in Consortium operations; he dawdled a bit, salvaging scrap and hanging back while the fleet engaged, cloaking while we fought the Vigilant Tyrannos, saying he'd provide half of the salvage to the Consortium, and he never did. Out of an overgrown sense of obligation, I still paid him for his participation in those operations.

In brief, I would say that the amnesiac né Borkstar may be operating under a new CONCORD ID, and may be much more mild-mannered than his prior identity, but the fruit does not fall far from the tree.

As for the project generally, I'm very curious about what sort of communication protocol is going to be used.

The inclusion of covert research tools is initially a curious one, but does make some sense in that they are associated with the non-signatory groups' research of warp-mediation technology. However, I do find it odd that you're not also gathering Antikythera Elements, nor using Ascendancy implants as a control system for capsuleer integration.


Considering Ms. Priano is a well known liar, who have lost her honor and failed either to stand for her words or prove them ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 ), I recommend to avoid paying attention to her smear campaign she has started against Viriel or Borkstar or Viriel-Borkstar. Even knowing that Borkstar was the criminal, words of liar Makoto must not be taken into consideration by those, who value their reputation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#44 - 2016-01-04 04:48:28 UTC
Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#45 - 2016-01-04 08:20:59 UTC
Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.

Anyway, back to the topic of communication with the Drifters. I have yet to read any evidence that our inability to establish dialogue with the Drifters is a technology problem. If I'm wrong about this, I would love to be educated on the subject.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#46 - 2016-01-04 11:45:35 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.

Anyway, back to the topic of communication with the Drifters. I have yet to read any evidence that our inability to establish dialogue with the Drifters is a technology problem. If I'm wrong about this, I would love to be educated on the subject.

Most attempts to communicate with the drifters I am aware of have used standard neocom communication techniques. It is entirely possible that they are outside the standard network though they could obviously link if they desired given the number of wrecks captured by now, and they almost certainly do link into it given they were aware of the Amarr proclamations. But this doesn't mean that their standard ships communicate that way or that they regularly communicate that way.

So use of more.... old fashioned techniques that are not FTL systems isn't actually a silly idea.
Though I will admit to being very perplexed as to why an old fashioned RF antennae array would need rare construction elements in it's make up, and why so many of these research documents being gathered seem to be unrelated. Even after in person conversations on this it still seems like partly being a resource grab.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#47 - 2016-01-04 12:23:23 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.

Anyway, back to the topic of communication with the Drifters. I have yet to read any evidence that our inability to establish dialogue with the Drifters is a technology problem. If I'm wrong about this, I would love to be educated on the subject.

Most attempts to communicate with the drifters I am aware of have used standard neocom communication techniques. It is entirely possible that they are outside the standard network though they could obviously link if they desired given the number of wrecks captured by now, and they almost certainly do link into it given they were aware of the Amarr proclamations. But this doesn't mean that their standard ships communicate that way or that they regularly communicate that way.

So use of more.... old fashioned techniques that are not FTL systems isn't actually a silly idea.
Though I will admit to being very perplexed as to why an old fashioned RF antennae array would need rare construction elements in it's make up, and why so many of these research documents being gathered seem to be unrelated. Even after in person conversations on this it still seems like partly being a resource grab.


Oh god they're going to fire an electromagnetic wave at ships that rely on a magnetic field to power their weapons. We're all dead.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#48 - 2016-01-04 12:40:48 UTC
No one listens to me, even though I have suggested time and time again how the Drifters are to be tamed.

When domesticating an animal, an early step in that process is the feeding of that animal. Nothing earns the interest and eventual trust of an animal more than food.

We know what the Drifters eat. They eat corpses. Our goal — to provide them with an alternative, more reliable source of food. Slaves.

Instead of figuring out how to talk to the Drifters, we should be figuring out how to feed slaves to the Drifters. Forcibly, if necessary, in order to give them that first taste of slave meat and have them coming back for more. Like any number of wild beasts humans and subhumans have tamed throughout history, it will not even matter that the beasts don't speak our language — by means of food, by means of slaves the Drifters will be tamed. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Seraphim Risen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2016-01-04 18:13:23 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
No one listens to me, even though I have suggested time and time again how the Drifters are to be tamed.

When domesticating an animal, an early step in that process is the feeding of that animal. Nothing earns the interest and eventual trust of an animal more than food.

We know what the Drifters eat. They eat corpses. Our goal — to provide them with an alternative, more reliable source of food. Slaves.

Instead of figuring out how to talk to the Drifters, we should be figuring out how to feed slaves to the Drifters. Forcibly, if necessary, in order to give them that first taste of slave meat and have them coming back for more. Like any number of wild beasts humans and subhumans have tamed throughout history, it will not even matter that the beasts don't speak our language — by means of food, by means of slaves the Drifters will be tamed. Amen. Amarr Victor.


And twirl your mustache the entire time? Really, dear, you are sorely misguided. We need to talk about your beliefs at some point.

Never not badpost.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2016-01-05 11:44:37 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point.

If you don't like your reflection in the mirror being intact, you could drink some tea. Properly made Kresh tea can help restore honor even to such disgraced persons as you.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#51 - 2016-01-05 11:53:19 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.

Who would know that a federal can acknowledge a good reputation of a Caldari Officer?
What is next, supporting liberation of Caldari Prime from gallente occupation?
Admitting federal government and HQ guilty in war crime known as Operation Highlander?
Or acknowledging war crimes that gallente commit in Black Rise daily, that every capsuleer can see, but all frog loyalists blindly deny?..

Well, what can I say. You can think about my reputation whatever you want, but it won't affect my decision to pull the trigger if I will see you. Until there is at least one gallente occupant on Caldari Prime, there will be no safe place for a gallente agressor to hide from Caldari wrath! Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jadeheart
Doomheim
#52 - 2016-01-05 18:07:25 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point.

If you don't like your reflection in the mirror being intact, you could drink some tea. Properly made Kresh tea can help restore honor even to such disgraced persons as you.


Tea to restore honer?
If this is true, why you so often have to challange capsuleers to dual you when you feel your honer has taken a blow?
Just chill and sip on that Kresh tea of yours!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-01-05 18:50:44 UTC
Jadeheart wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point.

If you don't like your reflection in the mirror being intact, you could drink some tea. Properly made Kresh tea can help restore honor even to such disgraced persons as you.


Tea to restore honer?
If this is true, why you so often have to challange capsuleers to dual you when you feel your honer has taken a blow?
Just chill and sip on that Kresh tea of yours!

Those should sip, who disgrace themselves. Thus I leave this privilege to types like Makoto.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2016-01-06 07:52:19 UTC
They are abominations! They aren't humans! They aren't God creations! They must be burned, cleansed from existence! Talking with them will lead only to HERESY!

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2016-01-06 08:14:46 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:
They are abominations! They aren't humans! They aren't God creations! They must be burned, cleansed from existence! Talking with them will lead only to HERESY!


Remind me again how Vak'Atioh went.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2016-01-06 09:13:31 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
They are abominations! They aren't humans! They aren't God creations! They must be burned, cleansed from existence! Talking with them will lead only to HERESY!


Remind me again how Vak'Atioh went.

I'll send you a couple of isk so you can buy yourself a history school textbook.

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#57 - 2016-01-07 19:40:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.

Who would know that a federal can acknowledge a good reputation of a Caldari Officer?


I was talking about your reputation among fellow Caldari. Which is atrocious, particularly among the State loyal contributors on this forum. That some of your most vocal critics are Caldari Militia pilots is surely a positive indication of sanity in the State.

Anyway, back to the Drifters. Isn't this whole project ignoring that by all indications killing is just a form of communication for them?
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2016-01-08 09:05:54 UTC
While I understand the intent, pilot Vero, I disagree with your assessment that for the Drifters killing is a means of communication. While a message has certainly been conveyed, that being - pardon my Gallentean - for all of us to **** off, I don't think they see it in such a nuanced fashion. The violence they have visited upon capsuleer forces seems quite utilitarian in nature. They blow up whatever stands in the way of their admittedly unknown objectives and move on without any of the trappings of communiqué generally associated with armed confrontation.

To put it bluntly, I don't think we are important enough to them to merit being spoken to.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#59 - 2016-01-08 09:10:12 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:

I was talking about your reputation among fellow Caldari. Which is atrocious, particularly among the State loyal contributors on this forum. That some of your most vocal critics are Caldari Militia pilots is surely a positive indication of sanity in the State.

And I thought your name was Rinai Vero and not Arrendiot. Because we kind of... have one Arrendiot already and we don't need others.

Ridiculous, how low a gallente can fall. I mean, you REALLY can't come with something to blame me, so you have to make up such idiotic claims? Who would believe your hallucinations anyway? Or you listen to those traitorous scum who pretend to be loyal? Well, anyone with at least two brain cells will see who they are. Besides, we keep them under heel anyway. I don't remember any of traitorous scum spreading Gallente propaganda about me. Most often it is only your kind and, lately, low-witted tribals.

I have to notice though lack of loyal Caldari pilots to speak against all gallentean crap you spew around.

Next time, Vero, if you will want to say something bad about me and will fail to find some real facts, better keep your gallentean mouth shut, you will only present yourself as a fool. Like now.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#60 - 2016-01-08 20:13:55 UTC
Not sure who this other person you're trash talking is, or why, but if they dislike you they're getting something right.

Also not sure who you're trying to convince of your own popularity. Perhaps your intended audience are young capsuleers who weren't around to see you universally condemned in this Summit for your support of Tibus Heth's murder of innocent Caldari civilians who's only crime was their political opposition to the Provists.