Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And so was not upgrading your clone. It's a choice in name only.

Given your final sniping comment, I assume you think anyone not officer fitting frigates is a risk averse pansy too? Sorry I'm not space rich enough to lose a few billion a week on pod losses, you're right, I should go play a softer game.

Honestly.

Not even close. Yes upgrading your clone was kind of a choice in name only. The choice of Learning implants is purely a choice. You can choose higher level implants, train a bit faster and risk more or not.

In my entire time playing EVE I have never used above +3 learning implants, and amazingly it has not negatively impacted my EVE experience.

I hope they leave learning implants in, if for no other reason I can continue to read these wonderful threads.

If you lose the mindset that terrible things will happen if you lose expensive implants, you too can enjoy the slightly faster train times.

Here's a hint, no matter how many attribute implants you have plugged into your head, only two are being used at any given time. Spending a billion isk on a full set of +5s is a waste when you only need two to get the fastest training time.

Additionally, you could lose the mindset that the 3% increase in SP accumulation for using +5s over +4s actually matters.

Lastly, it really is about choice. Unlike clone upgrades, there is no penalty for not using attribute implants. You aquire SP at the same base rate as everyone else who doesn't use implants. The SP accumulation bonus you get for using attribute implants is not, nor has it ever been, mandatory outside of your own mind.

Remember that EvE is a game about patience. If you're too impatient to wait that extra day or two for that month long train, you're really going to hate it when you get to the skills that take almost two months for lvl 5.

It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can afford the loss, but whether or not you are willing to accept the loss if/when it happens.

Regardless of which side of the debate you're on, this is a stupidly redundant thread as CCP has already stated they intend to remove attribute implants. I'm not sure why ISD hasn't already locked it.

You do not need to risk ridiculously expensive pods. +3 implants are more than sufficient for 90% of usage scenarios. You gain a significantly increased SP accumulation rate over no implants, but they are so cheap that the loss is recovered with 1 anomaly or 1 L4 mission (or some trading/mining/PI). The problem is not the price of the implants or risk of losing an expensive pod -- it is entirely the mindset of the players: People want to train at max speed at all times and when they realize how costly it can potentially be for them when that expectation collides with their other expectations (constant PVP in dangerous areas, for instance), they blame the implants for their risk aversion. However, not the implants are at fault, the players themselves are because they do not properly evaluate the risks versus the benefits of different implants. Personal anecdote: I have only usedd +4s in my first couple of months when I was situated in High sec. Ever since I moved out to Null sec/Low sec, I have not used +4s in my regular clones. I exclusively use +3s and I have not yet encountered any skill training time that was unbearably, excruciatingly long, let alone situations where I missed out massively on action. The only situations where I use my +4 clone is when I am on vacation and cannot play EVE at all (or for my station sitting alts who are training things and don't leave the station in the first place).

All in all, the implants are not the problem. It is players not being capable of thinking about and evaluating their actions, as well as the colliding, mutually exclusive expectations resulting from the previous.

Ah thats great, been away for a extended break wasnt aware they had already decided to remove them

I feel like you're missing my point. I too only ever use +3, sometimes +2 if I expect not to fly home. I just suck up the slower training. But that doesn't mean I can't point out it is a stupid status quo.

My point is that it's dumb the way it is set up. Hell you're all telling us that none of you use high grades and nor do I really just underlines it. "Oh implants are fine, no-one uses them" is hardly a glowing evaluation of them working well, is it. Defender missiles are broken,not using them like everyone does isn't something that makes them not broken. Workarounds are not the same as a lack of an issue in the first place.

As for risk aversion? I guess technically but then most everyone in the game does the same thing - not partake in high grades, it's more or less a high sec super bear activity. You, me and everyone else not using +5s out in bubbleville are all equally risk averse on that front. Like I say, it's prudence, nothing more.

tl;dr: I dislike rewarding the safest space residents the most.

Not where pods are concerned. Ships, for sure though.

или переделать импланты по аналогии с "cerebral accelerator booster"

or alter the implants, by analogy with "cerebral accelerator booster"

This is where your argument falls apart. As I was trying to get at with my post, implants are one of the areas where the true nature of EVE's Risk vs. Reward actually works.


Low usage of +5's is not a sign that they are broken. It is a sign that they are an expensive item that are on the high end of the risk/reward curve. By their nature they shouldn't be used a lot. This is also true of ALL implants. I mean I'd love a full set of high grade slaves, but the risk isn't worth their cost to me.

This is true also of all the high end attribute implants. I'm sure not many risk them in PVP either. But that doesn't mean they are broken. I like the fact that IF someone is willing to risk the isk on them, they can have that edge over someone else. They deserve to.

Personally, I would like to see all implants remain in the game. We are already losing plenty of other risk/reward/emergent gameplay options that are the the cornerstone of what has made this game so unique and awesome.

IF however they removed learning implants, I want to see them leave the SP rate at the default. That would be a huge laughable solution to all the whiners.