EVE General Discussion

Wait... We need a reason to PvP other than to defend the right to make pot noodles in the sacred teapot?

Lemme paint a picture for you.... etch-a-sketch like.
My favorite pvp moment was when I was flipping a t1 battlecruiser with a t1 frigate.
I hadn't noticed that he had corpmates in system at the time, so the arrival of the second t1 battlecruiser was something of a surprise, but not an unwelcome one.
Then the t1 logistics cruiser dropped on field to help.
It was a VERY long fight, which they eventually won. I went up in flames under the guns of a three week old newbie.
Afterwards I thanked them all for the excitement, as I had LOVED every moment of it.
The response I got back was 'Yeah, that was pretty awesome!'

The best fun you can have sometimes is making the game more fun for someone else. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, sometimes the real victory is rattling someone else's cage enough to show them that there are other ways to enjoy the game than to mindlessly shoot at NPC's day in and day out.

Come on out to WH space.

Speaking as someone who in the past set up a pos with just me and my alts in a WH, I guarantee you will be in this situation sooner or later

There's nothing wrong with liking pvp for the sake of pvp. But that's not what the OP is talking about, he;s asking if there is any "pvp for greater purposes" going on, and the answer is "not as much as before".

I remember being a member of a corp in Atlas when we took Omist from the Russians. It was poor space, but it was space. Because it was poor space we (with the help of our friends Red.Overlord, BoB and others) took Insmother, then Detorid to give us access to more resources. And we held them (by the skin of our teech sometimes) while we used to wealth to build up. It culminated with us kicking Red Alliance out of C-J6, their 'ancestral home' as far as the game was concerned.

THAT was meaningful pvp. By winning battles, we ended up with better space to rat, explore and mine in, meaning we could then do MORE stuff than we did before we took that space...

Now?

Now there is no need to do that. Just get an alt and run some incusions/FW missions/highsec lvl 4s whatever and use that isk to buy ships you don't care about to throw at other people with ships they don't care about and try to smile while you're doing it. Great if you are into pvp for the shear pleasure of watching someone else lose something, but not so great if you want your gameplay to actually have an impact on your individual status and enjoyment of the game later on.

For me there is still some 'meaningful pvp' when I get into a defense fleet and kill the raiders who are trying to kill my mates who are mining. Killing those neutrals lets me get back to PVEing as well. But it's a mere shadow of what it used to be. Fortunately for me I'm mainly in it for the PVE, but the decline of actually meaningful pvp in EVE is a real loss for this game.

Heh. I have a reply halfway typed up to someone else in the thread that used these exact words.

I know that a lot of preparation and effort can go into Eve PVP. But it just doesn't carry much weight, in my opinion, when the only thing that's on the line is the time you put into preparing for and performing the PVP. When there's no purpose beyond the PVP itself... why aren't we all just playing a FPS instead of a game where we need to plex or otherwise worry about isk in order to do any PVP that's more than rookie ships and civilian modules?

Building on this:

Good fights over nothing vs. fighting tooth and nail to avoid being evicted from space you call home.

Which one of those are you more likely to fondly look back on 5 years from now? If you answer the former, then hats off to you for having a photographic memory (or perhaps keeping a journal of all your GFs?). If you answer the latter, you're damn right fights that have more on the line than zkillboard stats are more memorable.

I wish there was more incentive to have the latter in Eve, short of purposely goading someone into hating you enough that they try to wipe you off the map or trying to wipe someone else off the map just to spawn a war out of it. Regional scarcity of select resources would be great, I figure, in creating more conflict with "greater pupose" ... but that's never going to happen since CCP seems to want the opposite.

Personally, I think a lot of MMORPGs struggle to "find a point" to PVP...beyond the "fun of it." That's reason we have FW at all.

Anyone remember Dark Age of Camelot? That had some awesome PVP...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=460651

OP is a serial troll, kids.

I will say this, eve is one of the few pvp games that really gets my heart beating. For example, Call of Duty is fun. I play it and enjoy it. Still, I've never had to take a breather after a match like I have in EVE.

In one fight, I was in a cloaked bomber scouting. The enemy fleet landed on gate with a blackbird at range. I had the task of sneaking close to the blackbird so I could try to drive him for the field while my fleet jumped I to engage. The whole rush of the hunt and trying to get close to do my job was awesome. I can only think of one other fps that had close to that feeling and that game is long gone.

It's not about people. It's about a person. Me.

It's always all about me.

Mr Epeen