EVE General Discussion

This is wrong headed thinking. The idea that any change to anything will affect people like CODE isn't just false, it misleading.

People like CODE don't exist because "null sec is too safe and boring". You could make null (and low, and WH space) the most dynamic places in human history and CODE (and it's ilk) would still exist. CODE is in high sec not because other places are boring, but because High Sec provides the one resource most players like the CODE guys need:

Gullible, oblivious, entitled type players who are generally over-sensitive , emotionally unstable and easy to rile up. In other words, High Sec is the place where the "average gamer personality" people tend to play (side note, this in now way is meant to suggest that all high sec players are like that, I know many that stick to high sec because of their limited play time, but they are still tough minded "hard targets" that CODE doesn't screw with because they can't get tears from them).

Folks like CODE (and others, like Goons/high sec wardeccers etc etc) love to watch people like that explode, both in terms of ships but also in terms of their tears. CCP can spend time changing game mechanics but it will be to no avail, because game mechanics will never fix the real issue. The issue is people (who let themselves be prey and then over-react to the post ship death taunting they get afterwords, the over-reaction being the entire goal of the ganker) being mentally unsuited and unprepared for a game like EVE, not null sec.


In other words, the people who have a problem with CODE would be better served in their desire to see CODE diminished if they helped to train new players on how to mentally and emotionally deal with them (which is the WORST thing you can do to CODE, they don't like smart , well trained space pilots) rather than doing what they usually do, which is run to CCP for more nerfs to game mechanics that just Obi-Wans the CODE types into stronger/Smarter ganking.

This applies to lots of nullbears too you know. It just takes more effort to get the tears/kerfuffles/angst out of them, whereas they literally beg you do to so in High Sec. You get not only the best Isk killed/hour ratio, but the most /hour as well. High Sec is thus disproportionately favored by content creators, when intuitively, more dangerous space would seem the better place to stir things up.

So long as mechanics allow it, there will be ganking in HS; this is a great and fantastic thing! However, the draw of it, given how boring the rest of the game has been made by players, i feel is very increased. You can fill Uedama with hundreds of red-blinky people (again, kudos to them for being organized) but no one in their right mind wants to run around with sov lasers, and local pretty much keeps the majority of null 100% safe with no effort.

Nobody really accept being on the losing side of "meaningful PvP". If the stakes are high, people will play it safe. Large engagement in this game, even if they end up in steamrolling victory always happened for 2 reasons, either both side had a real impression they were the side with the better odds of getting away with the win or just did something stupid. Null sec "train" the player to reduce his stupid moments so everybody adapt while HS don't really make you evolve because your loss are not constant even if you are always stupid.

Deadspace fitted dps vindicator flying gate to gate between incursions?

*raise hand*

I used to do this because it didn't really feel unsafe. What are the chance that at that exact point in time, people will have on the gate the necessary hardware to pin you down and kill you? It's pretty damn low if you are not right after a MOM got popped which mean there will be high traffic for the gankers to count on for a stream of targets. And even if they are there, overheating A type invuln gave me enough EHP to outlive a tornado gang who didn't choose the right target to shoot at. You don't learn to not do stupid **** in that place. Null sec? The play stupid game, win stupid prize rules is in full effect there so people stop playing those stupid games at some point.

I feel insulted. CODE aren't the only ones who take advantage of - and generally love being around - average citizens who lack even the most basic understanding of how reality really works...

Sadly most people I talk to don't understand that highsec really is the best place to be, simply because it's where all the random citizens live. Nullsec is boring, because every group is made of friends and joining any of them simply is no fun (can't shoot/steal from/scam/betray your own corp/alliancemates on a daily basis) and lowsec has a too low amount of dumb people.

When it comes to content creation, highsec is the best place to be.
And roaming around looking for people to fight is in no way or form *creation* of content.

Very well said. Long before CODE there was a corp which brought it to the point: tear extraction and reclamation services [TEARS].

Lol, this must be a first. You complaining about people being too clever usually it is the other way around.

On their own low sec pvpers tend to be better than nullseccers.

This is because the argument was that there is a decline, not that no-one is playing.

The argument carries weight in that Eve Offline reports a 25% decrease in player activity over the past year alone. This, of course, is assuming that Eve Offline is doing its job correctly.

To add further weight to the argument, we recently saw CCP Seagull beg players to log in to their accounts in an unprecedented Dev Blog.

Furthermore, the company have been brainstorming ways to encourage player activity, including the introduction of daily rewards for performing basic activities and have even investigated moving the entire platform to a free to play model.

Sure, some people noticed. The last bit.

There was a drop in ACU over the last five years, but it is neither a steady linear or exponential decline over the period, as one would expect from the doom people. The decline is infact mostly due to the drop in jan -juli 2015. Meaning that what happened in this period (Aegis SOV+banning input broadcasting are possible reason, but ofc. could be other things) is probably the main reason behind the observed decline in ACU.

And probably not the state of PVE as some try to spin it.

I had the pleausure of dealing with CODE squads on my terms (I hire PvP corps and they wipe them away), but I think their true purpose to exist is, to "strongly entice" players to move to null sec.

A little nuisance with this is, as times goes on there are less and less players who follow the "advice" and more who just switch to another game. Here's a possible explanation:

One of the weakest spots I have ever experienced with EvE, is how incredibly weak is its "grip" on new players. The starter missions have been an improvement to involve new players a bit (much better than the 2011 motto: "Welcome to EVE Online, here's a rubik's cube, go fck yourself"). But they are still too little, too weak imo, to overcome the ever increasing appeal better "packaged" newer games propose to perspective new players.

I'd love to see a sort of "campaign" that takes the new player by the hand (they arrive in EvE with WoW canned progress mentality) and slowly the campaign makes the new player explore key EvE features and slowly "departs" from the canned progress and gradually teaches to adapt to a sandbox gameplay.
By doing so, EvE could "convert" modern era players to its model with an higher retention rate.