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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#41 - 2016-01-07 10:15:36 UTC
Sammie MacWinters wrote:
This has been done before. Several times. It never works.

But it's fun while it lasts.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#42 - 2016-01-07 10:16:50 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
I think you might be letting your wishes get in the way of reality Kimmy.


Actually, I believe she's right.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#43 - 2016-01-07 10:17:21 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
All this superstition and mysticism is so untribal for a Seb. Suits Brutor and their blind man on the top for sure, but we did not become the hightech tribe we are with spiritual mumbojumbo. For science!

And still Achura does science better than Sebs, and according to rumors they are highly spiritual.

Achura are ok, but on the department of practical application they are a bit... well. Let's not go there, bicker thread or not.

Nothing wrong with being highly spiritual, as long as you don't let it mess with realities.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#44 - 2016-01-07 11:59:26 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
I think you might be letting your wishes get in the way of reality Kimmy.


Actually, I believe she's right.


Then... that's just barbaric.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#45 - 2016-01-07 12:31:52 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:

Wait, what? I knew the State was into their patriotism, but I didn't realise they were quite so Facist as to ban interracial marriages. What counts as interracial anyway? Can a Civire marry a Deteis? Or a Deteis an Achuran? I think you might be letting your wishes get in the way of reality Kimmy.


There are corporate authorities that provide matchmaking services and arrange marriage contracts directly. or authorize requests for the same. It's usually not out of love, but duty, a contractual obligation to provide the benefits of financial and job security as parents and married couples are afforded greater perks and privileges than those who remain single.

And yes, marriage between a Deteis and anyone else not Deteis would be considered an illegal and interracial marriage as most would define it in the State. And yes, most Megacorporations operate under Fascist principles at least under the ideals of political corporatism where the goal is to integrate the individual with society under a singular authority and control -- personal, familial, private, public, and at work. The individual is considered as a subsidiary element of the central body corporate.

There is a reason why the State produces so many independent military contractors -- it's about the only occupation in which you are afforded a degree of personal freedom outside the strictures of regular corporate life. Where you're expected to cultivate a degree of personal disrepute by contravening societal norms, and by breaking them, your own dubious reputation saves face for those you are bound to serve. It's tradition in a sense I suppose, those who once could not live under the protocols of Oriyoni, Fukuyima, or Raata would often serve a Warlord during times of peace by playing the bandits, rogues, and pirates against another House.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#46 - 2016-01-07 14:48:25 UTC
So the State requires a marriage licence, do they ?

Is there a test ? A written theory test, followed by a practical assessment of marriage skills in an open environment ?

How peculiar.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#47 - 2016-01-07 15:11:40 UTC
Why would you want to marry outside of tribe anyway? I get casual relationships, but marriages are about family and wealth.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#48 - 2016-01-07 15:48:11 UTC
Wealth? Oh no, nobody will ever love poor little me!
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2016-01-07 16:14:47 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:

There are corporate authorities that provide matchmaking services and arrange marriage contracts directly. or authorize requests for the same. It's usually not out of love, but duty, a contractual obligation to provide the benefits of financial and job security as parents and married couples are afforded greater perks and privileges than those who remain single.

And yes, marriage between a Deteis and anyone else not Deteis would be considered an illegal and interracial marriage as most would define it in the State. And yes, most Megacorporations operate under Fascist principles at least under the ideals of political corporatism where the goal is to integrate the individual with society under a singular authority and control -- personal, familial, private, public, and at work. The individual is considered as a subsidiary element of the central body corporate.

There is a reason why the State produces so many independent military contractors -- it's about the only occupation in which you are afforded a degree of personal freedom outside the strictures of regular corporate life. Where you're expected to cultivate a degree of personal disrepute by contravening societal norms, and by breaking them, your own dubious reputation saves face for those you are bound to serve. It's tradition in a sense I suppose, those who once could not live under the protocols of Oriyoni, Fukuyima, or Raata would often serve a Warlord during times of peace by playing the bandits, rogues, and pirates against another House.




A bit of Mindflood and you don't need a matchmaking service.

Just sayin.

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2016-01-07 16:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Why would you want to marry outside of tribe anyway? I get casual relationships, but marriages are about family and wealth.


And also influence. The unfortunate reality is that arranged marriages within the Minmatar Tribes usually take into consideration the influence, power and wealth of the involved families, everything else being secondary. The ideal is that either the son or the daughter (really depends on Tribe) marries up the social ladder, while the other party suffers no disgrace from the arrangement.

I am sure this sounds familiar to quite a number of us. Before anyone asks, yes, sometimes the married couple are really bad fits for each other. Sometimes they might even outright hate each other from the onset. Yet, they will stick together anyway, usually for said reason of 'avoiding disgrace'. Of course, relationships might change, either for better or worse. Both families certainly hope for the former.

As for the non-arranged marriages, well, the union is due to a myriad of reasons rather than the usual social and economic gain of the involved families. Regardless, there still needs to be a blessing from both parents and also the clan heads, and the union still must not lead to disgrace in the families of either parties. An unblessed marriage is usually seen as the road to hardship and, very likely, ruin.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2016-01-07 17:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Valerie Valate wrote:
So the State requires a marriage licence, do they ?

Is there a test ? A written theory test, followed by a practical assessment of marriage skills in an open environment ?

How peculiar.


When I wanted to get married I had to seek out the permission of my company (Pyre Falcon) CEO and the pair of us had to travel to the Hall of Records and submit to genetic compatibility testing. There was also a practical assessment of marital skills in the form of an extended courtship and Mrs Tuulinen was the one who graded me on that.*

Having secured company permission and achieved a passing grade genetically and practically, the match was allowed to continue.

The precise value of family in the State is an interesting question. It is perfectly possible to prosper without the backing of a family unit and some even argue that it steals loyalty from the wider corporate consideration, on the other hand we're encouraged to do our ancestors proud and families boast of lineages of service to their communities and corporations.

(* - I'll allow you to privately speculate on the manner of that assessment. As well as the obvious it involved hand-to-hand combat training, mountain climbing and some other criteria)

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#52 - 2016-01-07 17:11:34 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Why would you want to marry outside of tribe anyway? I get casual relationships, but marriages are about family and wealth.


And also influence. The unfortunate reality is that arranged marriages within the Minmatar Tribes usually take into consideration the influence, power and wealth of the involved families, everything else being secondary.

Yes, sorry; I was unclear. With "family" here I meant "who are they and what's in it for us if we form/strengthen the alliance", roughly.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#53 - 2016-01-07 21:40:18 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Wealth? Oh no, nobody will ever love poor little me!

I love you.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2016-01-08 09:23:57 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Besides, about brutors - interracial marriages are still prohibited AFAIK.


Wait, what? I knew the State was into their patriotism, but I didn't realise they were quite so Facist as to ban interracial marriages. What counts as interracial anyway? Can a Civire marry a Deteis? Or a Deteis an Achuran? I think you might be letting your wishes get in the way of reality Kimmy.

Should I smear your incompetence all over your face now?
Learn facts next time before you dare to speak like that with Caldari Officer.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#55 - 2016-01-08 18:37:10 UTC
You bring dishonor upon your family, corporation and race Kim-baka. Please stop talking. Stop breathing for that matter.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Anslo
Scope Works
#56 - 2016-01-08 21:51:42 UTC
Wow the **** posting thread is still up? Cool.

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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2016-01-08 22:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
Someone please close this thread because it may inspire people to actually bicker in it!
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#58 - 2016-01-09 00:32:46 UTC
Tamiroth, it has been some time since we have engaged in mortal combat (well, mortal to my slave crew anyway). We should engage in mortal combat again.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#59 - 2016-01-09 04:04:43 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Tamiroth, it has been some time since we have engaged in mortal combat (well, mortal to my slave crew anyway). We should engage in mortal combat again.

You should engage me!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-01-09 08:34:52 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
You bring dishonor upon your family, corporation and race Kim-baka. Please stop talking. Stop breathing for that matter.

Stop barking, minmatar animal, you speak words that you don't understand. Your claims are groundless and empty like contents of your primitive head.

Coward minmatar slave hound barking about honor of Caldari Officer, that's something... both funny and sad.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.