Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It would be great if CCP remove learning implants from the game.

Pvping and loosing stat implants (slot 6 and up) no problem as they directly effect pvp performance.

Having to weigh up the lost sp from jumping to a fresh clone without learning implants to have some fun puts me off alot, so i assume it puts others off.

Base learning skill stats with no implants would be cool



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While I agree with you, there are many, many recent threads on this topic. Please use one of those, rather than cluttering up these forums with a redundant thread.

You're a 2007 character. If you can't afford ~20million for two +3 implants in your PVP clone, you're doing something seriously wrong.

Twenty million isk is ~fifteen minutes of ratting. It is not a large amount of money by any standards. If you are flying a ship bigger than a T1 fit frigate, you can probably afford it, and if you're that new, you don't need to be worrying about implants yet.

The link is not old = rich, it's old = knows how to make pocket change. I could understand your point if we were talking hundreds of millions, but we're not. This is less than the cost of an assault frigate. Are you saying that a harpy is a major investment?

Figured you did. You apparently don't realize a few things.

1. A full set of learning implants is a waste of isk. You only need a couple.
2. The reduction in train time for +5s vs. +3s is really negligible. You're only looking at reducing a 30+ day level 5 train by about a day using +5s over +3s.
3. It's must be so terrible for you to have to make choices in this game. I mean, having to make a choice between learning at max possible sp/hr and not being able to PvP, or learning at slightly less than max sp/hr and being able to PvP. Your EvE must be sooooo horrible.

I just checked in evemon. (Skill in question is caldari BS V)

29 days 5 hours with +3s becomes 28 5 with +4s, or 27 5 with +5s.

on +3s, you're looking at two days in a month, so twenty four days in a year. My remapping is wonky, call it thirty if you like. It's still not the sixty you're claiming, and you can jump back to your precious +5s when you're done with whatever PVP you were doing. Don't forget the cooldown reductions we got on JCs.

Iain is correct on all counts here. It's a negligible reduction, especially if you can spring for +4s in your PVP clone.


I'm not even going to get in to the whole ISL/LP sink argument here either. Fact is, the issue is in your mind, not in the game mechanics.

I just want to add that I've actively avoided wormholes and PVP specifically because I didn't want to transfer to a jump clone for a day (or more), losing that training speed benefit from my implants.

Even though I run +3's, even though I have over a billion isk, they are still extremely expensive to replace.

Instead of undocking and flying around doing stuff, I station trade and let my character skill up.
They are not a very good mechanic, and much like clone grades they have a detrimental effect on getting people to actually play the game.

Actually that is a really ****** choice. It's not even a choice, which is kind of the problem.

PvPing in high grade learning (not pirate) implants is flat out stupid without exception. It is as much of a "choice" as not updating your clone in days gone by.

Seriously? You should have about 60-70 million SP...yeah? Maybe more? And yet you are upset because by jumping to an implantless clone you face an opportunity cost of around 6,500 SP for a 24 hour period? Probably less if you Infomorph Synchronizing a few levels.

I'm sorry, but is this the unofficial OCD thread? A single day in a clone without implants is like 0.01% of your SP if you have 65 million SP.

Yes, it really is a choice. I have undocked for PvP with a full set of +5s in my head. Why? Because I simply didn't care if I lost them. The fact that you are so scared of losing those precious implants is actually the problem here, not the fact that they exist.

Seriously, if you're so afraid of loss that the mere thought of losing something easily replaced makes you afraid of undocking, then maybe you should find another game to play. I hear there's a few game geared for the preschool-kindergarten demographic where everyone's a special snowflake and no one ever loses anything. Might want to give one of those a try.