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CovOps Logi

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Ryan Dallocort
Resurrection Complex
RAZOR Alliance
#1 - 2016-01-04 15:32:07 UTC
CovOps Logi is there such a thing?

I'm running a small fleet of strat/bombers out in NULL and our neighbouring LS and wondered about Logi for our larger encounters , its a CovOps fleet so taking standard Logi is out of the question. Ideally I'm looking for something which will spider tank while not compromising the fleet.

Our strat are a neut/tackle fit, putting out around 500-600 DPS. Bombers standard.

I've played with having the stratios perform the logi role, which I believe they could, very poorly, but I'm reluctant to throw 300-450m into what could end up being an expensive logi coffin.

Ideas/experience welcome!?
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-01-04 15:40:29 UTC
Cov-ops RR T3's

Not really recomended... wont save bombers, and you should have enough ewar to lock down anything else... bring more dps/ewar.

No Worries

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-01-04 16:15:06 UTC
The Etana is the exact ship you are looking for, looks like for the low low price of around 90B

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#4 - 2016-01-04 16:17:26 UTC
Proteus and Legion have a defensive subsystem that greatly enhance their resists as well as their remote rep amount (adaptive augmenter), they might be what you are looking for. They tank well and rep like champs.

Also, as ChromeStriker said, forget about repping the bombers, you don't have the rep range and they don't have enough buffer nor resists to be targeted by remote reps. You can bridge them as usual but they will have to fend for themselves: kite, shoot and apply ewar.

Another solution can be to RR-fit your Stratios, and add a couple T3 logis on top, and 2-3 armor recons.

The issue i see is the crapload of fuel you will be using, as well as the usual RR gang issues (pilots being overwhelmed by the numbers of buttons to push and ending up repping the primary and shooting their friends).

Best of luck.
Ryan Dallocort
Resurrection Complex
RAZOR Alliance
#5 - 2016-01-04 18:56:07 UTC
Thanks guys, some great feedback there. I assumed T3's may be the answer but am not skilled that high yet so didn't look.

I'm not too concerned about the bombers tbh, I was just thinking about the survive-ability of the Stratios if we encountered something which we could tackle but didn't have enough DPS to kill off either before they dropped reinforcements or it killed us off!

In theory I thought a stable spider tank between the strat may mitigate that concern but is not something I thought achievable from the builds I looked at without dedicated ships. :)

The Etana embodies everything I want, apart from the price tag... lol! I'm guessing that was an alliance tourney prize? I cant find blueprints or anything for it.

You'll have to excuse my T3 ignorance, where will the fuel come into it? CovOps Cyno?
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#6 - 2016-01-04 21:18:36 UTC
Yeah sorry i meant the fuel for bridging with your black ops battleship. I don't know how many stratios or assorted cruisers you wanna bring, but even if i don't know the exact numbers, i remember that bridging cruisers was a bit costly.

Nowadays you mostly see either lots of bombers being bridged with a couple recons, or just black ops battleships that jump directly to the cyno, making the bridging blops bs' fuel issue non relevant.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-01-06 03:11:33 UTC
Ryan Dallocort wrote:


The Etana embodies everything I want, apart from the price tag... lol! I'm guessing that was an alliance tourney prize? I cant find blueprints or anything for it.

It was the prize for winning Alliance Tournament X (winner gets 50 runs of the top ship). ZKillboard lists 5 losses of Etanas, all 5 were in the system used for Alliance Tournament battles. Rarely. you can find a thread offering a bpc in Sell Orders, but I think 100B is a bit much.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2016-01-06 05:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Ryan Dallocort wrote:
I'm not too concerned about the bombers tbh, I was just thinking about the survive-ability of the Stratios if we encountered something which we could tackle but didn't have enough DPS to kill off either before they dropped reinforcements or it killed us off!

The general tactic behind BLOP-dropping (yes, that is what it is called) is to kill quickly and GTFO as soon as you can.
The reason for this is that, barring certain exceptions, most ships capable of using a covert-ops cloak are not terribly tanky/ganky (depending on their fit) and rely more on "tricks" (electronic warfare), target selection, and surprise to be effective.

Basically, covert ships are not really designed to fight "head on" with anyone (besides their intended target). Just hit and run. If you are caught in a situation where you have to fight a straight battle, you have done something terribly wrong and need to think about GTFOing immediately.

Ryan Dallocort wrote:
The Etana embodies everything I want, apart from the price tag... lol! I'm guessing that was an alliance tourney prize? I cant find blueprints or anything for it.

It is. It is not a ship you will find roaming the spacelanes often, if at all.

Ryan Dallocort wrote:
You'll have to excuse my T3 ignorance, where will the fuel come into it? CovOps Cyno?

You need Liquid Ozone in the ship lighting the covert cyno... and you will need fuel in the Black-Ops battleships that are doing the bridging. No other fuel is required.

You will gain some Jump Fatigue though.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#9 - 2016-01-06 08:05:50 UTC
I'm told Pilgrims can act as CovLogi. Not great logi, but logi nonetheless.

The real thing here is if you need Logi for your BLOPS fleet, you're kind of doing it wrong. BLOPS Drops aren't stand up, knock 'em down, drag 'em out fights like capital fleet drops.

A BLOPS drop is an execution style gank.

The target should be very, very dead in very short order, typically on the order of a couple of bomber torpedo volleys at most. In this situation, your 'Logi' is EWAR and ludicrous damage output.

As for Etanas and the like: you'll be wanting at least two of them and they WILL attract a lot of attention. Should you be successful in procuring them (bwaha), you'll need to be extremely wary about getting baited and counter-dropped as your Etana and BLOPS pilots will be watchlisted by major power blocs, most likely by the very same major power bloc you need to approach in order to buy an Etana. In short: forget they exist.

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Ryan Dallocort
Resurrection Complex
RAZOR Alliance
#10 - 2016-01-06 13:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryan Dallocort
Thanks again for your input here guys, this for me is turning into a pretty interesting and insightful thread ha-ha!

I agree that by definition this is a CovOps dropping fleet, but not necessarily for profit. Don't get me wrong, loot would be nice but the main aim here is disruption. Dropping siphons on enemy POS, hitting industry and soft military targets to impact income, morale etc etc...

The Etana sounds like a massive target you'd be painting on your back, and tbh I wouldnt like to ask a corp/alliance mate to fly one!

The Stratios are the core of the fleet, 4-6 with a neut, tackle, drone fit and around 59k EHP armour tank meaning they could hold their own and a pack of them in theory should be able to neut and kill anything up to a single T1 BC in under 5 mins if I'm not mistaken. I calculated this based on estimated alphas/pack DPS etc.... (thats not including bombers etc...)

The neuts are a little harder to estimate but I would expect the target cap to drain very quickly once tackled and thus drop resists making the job even quicker.

I have no intention hanging around for an equal fleet fight, this is very much scout, hit, move on.... :)


Pilgrims I'll take a look at.


EDIT:
An interesting look at the Pilgrim (including fleet): https://o.smium.org/loadout/57982

I don't think the repair amount is anywhere near enough what I need, you'd have to focus fire your Logi to make any sort of impact.