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I like, but would prefer +1 Mid slot on Jag/Wolf...

Ab bonus would be bad....

MWD bonus is... bad...

I mean they aren't bad they are just redundant, we allready have MWD t2 frigates. So how about something more.... creative. Let me list what I can think up off the top of my head

Role bonus
100% increase in cap booster effect

100% reduction in afterburner cap use *for tackling battleships with try to neut frigates in one hit*

Speed and sig radius bonus. 50% reduction in ship sig radius at max velocity.
*this allows for the MWD bonus to still work, but only at max speed. It would also work with AB. Also it would make it so, once your in range your sig radius is basically back to normal while orbiting, but while you move in at full speed you can confuse enemy turrerts and get in without getting hit.


now instead of an afterburner speed boost how about a simple.... 50% overheating bonus?

Pne last idea I think of, while trying to think up wildly different ideas would be...

omg, yeeees, that's it.

800% boost to warp speed

It's an assault ship yes? well untill you fix warp slow down and speed up *i know it's on your plans* why not make assust ships the ship you keep in fleet to follow someone into wrap, get to the gate/planet before they do, and tackle?

Honestly I think making AFs fit into some kind of super warp speed role would be awesome.

I think CCP should remove active tanking on frigates, it just won't cut it.

In a 1v1 scenario, the active tanker will almost always beat a passive tanker. The ability to take damage, and then repair it makes it much stronger than just being able to take a lot more damage, but with no repair capability. In a gang scenario, passive tanks have their downsides as well. Passive armor tanks make them slower, and less agile, so more prone to getting hit. Passive shield tanks increase their sig radius, with the same effect.

It is just hit points, not damage too.

What i still not got is the role bonus... Why do AFs get a role bonus technically belonging to ceptors and on ceptors it makes really more sense. What is the role of an AF? From my point of view it should be handled like their cruiser sized brothers, the HACs. They need more firepower or tank than the other frig classes. And not nearly the same bonus a ceptor gets.

It looks like this is a similar joke, like years ago the thingy with the SBs... where you were not able to use covert ops cloaks on SBs, what made them useless for most kind of stuff... CCP saw that mistake years later..

Prom you do realize you constantly posting looks like you are defending yourself. Like this is your kid and your defending why he got into a fight at school or something. Not helping your case.

You're aware the wolf isn't really more powerful than it was before right? If you wish to gank one down with multiple T1 frigs then you'll still be able to just as easily.


The ones that have been noticeably buffed like the enyo, retribution, etc? Yes. Yes I do think they are underpowered at the moment. It's why you see them so little, even in lowsec where AFs are much more prominent. Will make a change to 90% of AFs you see being Jag/Ishkur/Vengeance.


That is indeed what has happened. Maybe.


Confirming I am a null resident without a clue about frigate combat in lowsec.

But please, do explain how buffing the weaker AFs to the levels of the stronger ones while leaving those that already dominate at approximately the same level of power is completely unbalancing frigate combat in general...

I'm not surely you can 'clearly' draw conclusions without any underlying arguments or evidence. And yes, frigate pvp is one of the best things in this game and frankly I'd like a wider selection of ships within it.




Currently most beginner pvp-ers are fighting other T1 frigs and bad cruiser/AF/faction frig pilots. This will remain the same.

And again, the stronger AFs are remaining at roughly the same level of power, the weaker ones have been buffed up to that level.

I'm not sure where you've got the idea that these ships are suddenly unkillable death machines from and I'm not sure why you wish to preserve a status quo where the same few ships are flown by most frigate pilots with the rest seen rarely if at all.

And for what it's worth, a cookie cutter Jag is one of the easiest AFs to solo in a rifter, you just have fit to exploit its weaknesses (ie, the appalling damage projection). A weakness that remains after these changes...

Well I think the sentiment is that adding that paticular bonus makes it seem like CCP went for a "quick fix" rather than looking at the multitude of options, like adding support ships, or balancing T2 frigates as a whole.

If you balance all the T2 frigate, as an example, you can consider how they would work together on a Fleet level. This is a rock, paper scissors game. Bringing a very fast rock to the game with out counters to paper is gonna get you a very quick ride back to a clone vat.

I think that your post already confirmed you don't have a clue about frig combat anyway. For starters, the weaker ones (and by that i mean Retribution as basically all the other ones are very viable and have there place, with a little fine tuning needed at most. They can't ALL be the #1 solo AF. Yet sometimes you want the gank of an enyo / harpy in fleet, and other times the vengeance / hawk are better choices). Buffing out the minor flaws of some, to the level of stronger ones = good thing (if done with care). Buffing the stronger ones even further? bad thing. I don't know how the hell you think giving Wolf an extra low slot, a tracking bonus to make up for lack of web, and +20% to armor buffer is "leaving it approximately the same level of power", but I can guarantee that I won't be able to "gank that with multiple t1 frigs just as easily" =p

PS. I did have an underlaying statement, evidence and argument. Not in that particular sentence you chose to quote, but I'm quite sure it was very visible throughout my previous two posts so far =)