Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then why in the (eve)world would I fly anything other than BS. Why should the game even have frigates or destroyers or cruisers if a smaller ship shouldn't be able to destroy a larger ship.

Also, to bring a bit of perspective to your argument... BS are not "big" ships. Titans are big ships. And, as far as I have seen in my 10.5 year eve career... no single frigate has ever solo'd a Titan.

I majorly disagree with you here. Don't get me wrong: I do not like kiting. It is not, however, something new. Small mobile gangs of skilled players with OGB have been around as long as I have been playing. If anything, the game is better now in that regard than it was in 2008. Anyone else remember Vagabonds going 10km/sec? Kiting can be countered. Additionally, it is not an existential threat the way totally overpowered, strategically mobile, Supercapital fleets were.

Bring a Battleship, with some support, out to fight a kiting gang. If you catch one of them (tackle ship supported by aligned Battleship warping or MJDing into range), it will kill it. A properly equipped Battleship is a tough target to take down.

I take great pleasure in fighting small, mobile roaming gangs. You just have to be prepared for a fight that won't always result in kills.

MTB = motorized torpedo boat? If so, a frigate is not comparable to a MTB.

And yes, small ships can take down larger ships. The USS Cole comes to mind, and that was caused by putting a lot of explosive into a small motorboat. In fact, the US Navy is more concerned with small fast boats than they are larger ships. Small fast boats are harder to track, harder to see (especially at night), and operate in areas the navy usually cannot (or won't) go with it's large ships.

Oh and MTBs were mainly used for littoral combat and were pivotal in the island hopping campaign of WW2 where they were used to disrupt enemy supply lines. Most of the big ship combat occurred out in deep water where MTBs could not operate effectively due to rough water and operating range.

If one WW2 BS ever had to take on a squadron of PT Boats, I'm sure it would lose; just as one BS in EVE loses to mass frigate assaults.

You obviously don't realize that frigates are able to critically damage, and even sink, battleships IRL. Especially if there are several frigates focusing on one battleship. Also, you're absolutely right about RL battleships being able to fit smaller weapons as well as large ones. Apparently you're also unaware that this can be done in Eve as well. If you think that fitting medium or small guns on your battleship will be helpful to you, give it a try and see what happens. What's the worst thing that could happen? You lose your ship? That shouldn't be a problem if you're following the first rule of Eve. Don't fly it if you can't afford to replace it.

Another thing is that new players are very limited in what they can fly, as they haven't had enough time to accumulate very many skill points. But if they are smart enough to group together and focus their efforts into taking down a battleship, why should they have their reward taken from them? They're already at a huge disadvantage because of their limited abilities. Furthermore, why should older and more experienced players have such a steep advantage over anyone? If you're flying a battleship and you're either stupid enough or not attentive enough to avoid getting jumped by a frig gang, then you deserve the loss. And the gang deserves it's reward.

well, heres a fun article about stopping large stuff with small stuff. has an element of humor to it.

https://what-if.xkcd.com/18/

no time to shiptoast like i regularly do, but BS are in use in null, but are more easily countered by Alpha doctrine, so smaller stuff isn't better, it is just easier to survive, and survival = more damage, just not DPS

If it can do damge, it will destroy it. If i shot an skyscraper with an pistol, i will eventually it will topple. Basic physics really, its why tool dull.

Its realistic, and good balance, numbers kill bigger.

sort of like how a strategic cruiser can be taken down by an entire fleet of cruisers.

Contrary to their name, battle ships are unsuitable for 90% of the battles in eve.

Giving them bonuses to small, medium and large guns/missiles might be interesting.

Yes exactly. Drone boats and battleships that get bonuses to RHL are obviously fine as they can fight back against smaller ships. The majority of the other BS do not have an adequate method and should just go ahead and get bonuses to different size weapon IMO.

I have not done an exhaustive study of this but it seems to me that EVERY battleship in the game has some form of drones bay even if they do not have bonuses to those drones.