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Goshiin Kisaragi
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-01-05 13:04:57 UTC
Hello people of EVE! o7

As the title says I would like to ask for some advice! I started roughly 3 weeks ago, I've been exploring in my Heron (and sometimes in an Astero, which I didn't really like) since then in null and in WHs, but it's getting a bit dull. One of my corp members suggested me that I should do incursions because that's a more stable income for ISK, so I've started training a battleship for that. After that I'm planing to learn the skills for a T3 cruiser, that takes some time and I'm afraid that I'll get bored of EVE if I just do relic/data sites or the Incursions (later). So I'm hoping you guys could give me some ideas regarding my problem!
Also I've been thinking a bit about this and I have a few questions regarding the things I came up with:

1) Can I do combat sites with any of the T1 ships? If yes, with which one and where should I start?

2) Should I start PvPing (solo/fleet) with the few skills I have? If yes, which ship would you recommend for a beginner?

Thanks in advance for the help!
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-01-05 13:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Azda Ja
1) Yes.

2) Definitely.

A T1 destroyer (properly fit) can do a whole lot of 'low end' content. I'll let someone better versed in that explain in more detail, I'll focus more on what you've said and the second question.

You asked for fun and your corp mate said do incursions because ISK income is more stable. It doesn't take a genius to see what's wrong here.

Do what's fun for you, not ISK efficient, unless the ISK efficient thing is fun to do. I've never done incursions, but based of of what I've heard, it doesn't seem that fun, of course I generally dislike most of EVE's PVE, so there's that to take into account.

You've also mentioned getting ready to train into a T3 Cruiser. Why? What do you need it for? Those are ships with a heavy investment, in time (SP) and ISK. In addition, if you don't learn the basics, first it's going to end up exploding pretty badly. To put it into perspective, I've been playing for a year and a half, and have only just recent;y trained into one. Why? I had most of the prerequisites already trained, so it was fairly painless to get into, and I needed, or rather, wanted a ship that could solo C3 WH sites. I would wait for a while before investing into a T3, SP and ISK wise. I can show you a few kills my corp has gotten before of relatively new players in T3s who had no business flying T3s, mostly because they're fit TERRIBLY. I can't stress this enough, learn more before getting into those things. They're very powerful in a variety of situations in the right hands, otherwise, they're expensive targets weighing heavily on your back.


For beginner fleet PvP I'd definitely recommend the Griffin, or my personal favorite, the Maulus. Any of the t1 E-War ships has it's place, but those two are the most widely useful in PvP contexts. You rarely NEED a Vigil's Target painters, and Tracking Disruption is only useful against ships that do damage to you, whereas Damps (Mauls) or ECM (Griffin) can shut down support, like logi, opposing E-War, as well as dps ships.

It's not an easy role really, there's things you need to know to actually be useful, but, it is a little more forgiving for a newbie in that you're generally speaking pretty far away from anything that's trying to hurt you. It also forces you to learn what other ships are generally capable of, and how they are fit, so that you can apply your E-War effectively. The FC isn't going to tell you what to do most of the time, you need to be able to read the battlefield and act independently.

For solo, check out this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k121k8SxIRw

And this video explains a bunch of the basics of EVE PvP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojc8VAy7gVA

The second channel has a lot of newbie centric videos, I recommend you watch them all, they're very well explained.

Welcome to EVE, fly dangerously.

o7

Grrr.
Goshiin Kisaragi
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-01-05 14:02:20 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:

A T1 destroyer (properly fit) can do a whole lot of 'low end' content. I'll let someone better versed in that explain in more detail, I'll focus more on what you've said and the second question.
Gald to hear that! I've done a few missions (L1?L2?, can't remember :c) in a Cormorant and it was fun. I really like that ship so I hope I can fly with it a bit more. :P
Azda Ja wrote:

You asked for fun and your corp mate said do incursions because Isk income is more stable. It doesn't take a genius to see what's wrong here.

Do what's fun for you, not ISK efficient, unless the ISK efficient thing is fun to do. I've never done incursions, but based of of what I've heard, it doesn't seem that fun, of course I generally dislike most of EVE's PVE, so there's that to take into account.
I've started doing the hacking thing because of how much money you could get from it. I found it very thrilling trying to get back to a trade hub with a cargo worth 10 times than the ship I'm flying with.>< I've watched a few guides and videos about the incursions and I've really liked what I saw there!
Azda Ja wrote:

You've also mentioned getting ready to train into a T3 Cruiser. Why? What do you need it for?
I would like to get into doing WH combat sites and I heard that T3 Cruisers are the best good for that, so that's the reason behind that decision and I think I would need to train those skills sometime to 5.
Azda Ja wrote:

Those are ships with a heavy investment, in time (SP) and ISK. In addition, if you don't learn the basics, first it's going to end up exploding pretty badly.
I know the basics more or less, got podded a few times in null and WHs and I learned a lot from those mistakes. I always read a lot before asking anything anywhere, my corp CEO was amazed how much I already knew compared to how young my character was. I posted here only because I couldn't come up with anything in the past days. :C
Azda Ja wrote:

For solo, check out this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k121k8SxIRw

And this video explains a bunch of the basics of EVE PvP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojc8VAy7gVA

The second channel has a lot of newbie centric videos, I recommend you watch them all, they're very well explained.
Thanks for the links, will check them out and thanks for the answers, I really appreciate it!^^
o7
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#4 - 2016-01-05 15:22:43 UTC
if you got bored of exploring dont expect to find incursions very fun

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Solecist Project
#5 - 2016-01-05 15:29:51 UTC
My suggestion is to use a non-covops ship in Jspace instead ...
... and just fitting a regular cloak.

I do that.
Makes a huge difference...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-01-05 15:33:37 UTC
For a casual start into PvP I recommend joining the "Spectre Fleet" channel and attending one of the frigate or destroyer roams ... ask questions and learn. Just making ISK is not the main point of EvE, it's more about how to spend ISK for maximum fun/hour Pirate

I'm my own NPC alt.
Goshiin Kisaragi
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-01-05 17:32:05 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
if you got bored of exploring dont expect to find incursions very fun
Well, I'll see once I get to that, I don't have high hopes for it anymore :c. Only thing I'm happy about is that I get to use the Tech 2 modules for other ships too.
Solecist Project wrote:
My suggestion is to use a non-covops ship in Jspace instead ...
... and just fitting a regular cloak.

I do that.
Makes a huge difference...
What do you mean by Jspace?
I use a Heron with a tech 2 cloak for exploring, I don't think it's worth it to use the Astero anymore, because I've already lost 2 in the past 5 days and the cost to replace it is much more than the Heron, plus the Heron has a bigger cargo capacity. :P
Tipa Riot wrote:
For a casual start into PvP I recommend joining the "Spectre Fleet" channel and attending one of the frigate or destroyer roams ... ask questions and learn. Just making ISK is not the main point of EvE, it's more about how to spend ISK for maximum fun/hour Pirate
That's an awesome idea, will check out the channel, thanks!^^
Solecist Project
#8 - 2016-01-05 17:40:14 UTC
Jspace ... J00373624 = wormholespace.

Yeah you're using a covops, making it comparatively easy to be safe. Use a non-covops, fit a standard cloak and you'll notice that wormholespace was only dull, because you made it too easy to be safe. See my thread in this subforum. :)

A suggestion, nothing more. It will improve the experience. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ginnie
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-01-05 18:14:20 UTC
I've seen many players recommend using a Tactical Destroyer for all High Sec exploring. I use a Navy Omen. I can't do the lowest level DED sites, but anything worth doing I can do just fine. For Low Sec, I keep my costs very low and risk very little. I only fly a T1 frigate with all T1 equip. I only hit Data and Relic sites.

Low Sec can be a dangerous place especially for those that fly high cost ships like the Astero or Stratios. I've seen dozens of players swarm these ships like Africanized Honey Bees!

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
Solecist Project
#10 - 2016-01-05 18:24:02 UTC
Ginnie wrote:
I've seen many players recommend using a Tactical Destroyer for all High Sec exploring. I use a Navy Omen. I can't do the lowest level DED sites, but anything worth doing I can do just fine. For Low Sec, I keep my costs very low and risk very little. I only fly a T1 frigate with all T1 equip. I only hit Data and Relic sites.

Low Sec can be a dangerous place especially for those that fly high cost ships like the Astero or Stratios. I've seen dozens of players swarm these ships like Africanized Honey Bees!

I use a svipul, equipped with prototype cloak and core probe launcher.

I'm confused that you can't use a Navy Omen for the rather easy, low level DED sites ...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#11 - 2016-01-05 18:37:45 UTC
Ginnie wrote:
I've seen many players recommend using a Tactical Destroyer for all High Sec exploring. I use a Navy Omen. I can't do the lowest level DED sites, but anything worth doing I can do just fine. For Low Sec, I keep my costs very low and risk very little. I only fly a T1 frigate with all T1 equip. I only hit Data and Relic sites.

Low Sec can be a dangerous place especially for those that fly high cost ships like the Astero or Stratios. I've seen dozens of players swarm these ships like Africanized Honey Bees!


they are hard to catch if flown properly

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-01-05 20:27:35 UTC
Very short smartphone answer:


Do what you find fun, it is a game.


If you find something dull and boring, ditch the activity and do something else. It is a game, not a job.

Also, you are in a corp. Get working with your corp, do stuff together. If you are in one of those corps where all the connection you have with a corp is a shared chat channel, might want to find a corp that gets you involved.

Also, for PvP, take a look at public fleets.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#13 - 2016-01-05 20:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
Are you trying to make ISK doing it, or do you just want to have fun?

If you really like the exploration lifestyle, I have a challenge for you:

In the next week you have to give intel on five corporations that live in C1-C4 wormholes, and two corps from C5-C6's (corp name, system J-sig, what moon(s) their POSes are on, along with screenshots backing it up).

If you get me that information within a week (and I verify it's correct), I'll give you 50 million ISK and another 'to-do' item.

Also, I wouldn't bother with an Astero until you can fit a covert ops cloak. There's not enough of an advantage over a Heron without being able to warp when cloaked to justify its cost.

I will keep you supplied in exploration fit herons for any losses you incur while doing this



EDIT: If you want to take me up, please don't post that info/screenshots in this thread/in the forums, send me a message directly and we can talk.
Joran Dorn
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-01-05 20:38:59 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:


2) Definitely.

For beginner fleet PvP I'd definitely recommend the Griffin, or my personal favorite, the Maulus. Any of the t1 E-War ships has it's place, but those two are the most widely useful in PvP contexts. You rarely NEED a Vigil's Target painters, and Tracking Disruption is only useful against ships that do damage to you, whereas Damps (Mauls) or ECM (Griffin) can shut down support, like logi, opposing E-War, as well as dps ships.

It's not an easy role really, there's things you need to know to actually be useful, but, it is a little more forgiving for a newbie in that you're generally speaking pretty far away from anything that's trying to hurt you. It also forces you to learn what other ships are generally capable of, and how they are fit, so that you can apply your E-War effectively. The FC isn't going to tell you what to do most of the time, you need to be able to read the battlefield and act independently.

For solo, check out this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k121k8SxIRw

And this video explains a bunch of the basics of EVE PvP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojc8VAy7gVA

The second channel has a lot of newbie centric videos, I recommend you watch them all, they're very well explained.

Welcome to EVE, fly dangerously.

o7


I hadn´t considered PVP until 'later' in my career but your post inspired me. Looked up the Maulus and it seems like a fun little ship and looks great at the same time. Definitely gonna look up those videos and have a go at it as soon as I have the time :)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-01-05 20:42:40 UTC
Joran Dorn wrote:
Azda Ja wrote:


2) Definitely.

For beginner fleet PvP I'd definitely recommend the Griffin, or my personal favorite, the Maulus. Any of the t1 E-War ships has it's place, but those two are the most widely useful in PvP contexts. You rarely NEED a Vigil's Target painters, and Tracking Disruption is only useful against ships that do damage to you, whereas Damps (Mauls) or ECM (Griffin) can shut down support, like logi, opposing E-War, as well as dps ships.

It's not an easy role really, there's things you need to know to actually be useful, but, it is a little more forgiving for a newbie in that you're generally speaking pretty far away from anything that's trying to hurt you. It also forces you to learn what other ships are generally capable of, and how they are fit, so that you can apply your E-War effectively. The FC isn't going to tell you what to do most of the time, you need to be able to read the battlefield and act independently.

For solo, check out this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k121k8SxIRw

And this video explains a bunch of the basics of EVE PvP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojc8VAy7gVA

The second channel has a lot of newbie centric videos, I recommend you watch them all, they're very well explained.

Welcome to EVE, fly dangerously.

o7


I hadn´t considered PVP until 'later' in my career but your post inspired me. Looked up the Maulus and it seems like a fun little ship and looks great at the same time. Definitely gonna look up those videos and have a go at it as soon as I have the time :)




SP are NOT a limit in PvP, just something to work around when they are low.

I made an alt a while back and straight jumped into RvB with it and were in fleets after 2 days putting in my part of the effort to kills stuff.

And someone with low SP that knows his **** and flies his ship correct will win from a clueless, high SP character.

PvP is more about player skill then character skill

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2016-01-06 00:56:32 UTC

Goshiin Kisaragi wrote:
Hello people of EVE! o7
One of my corp members suggested me that I should do incursions because that's a more stable income for ISK, so I've started training a battleship for that. After that I'm planing to learn the skills for a T3 cruiser, that takes some time and I'm afraid that I'll get bored of EVE if I just do relic/data sites or the Incursions (later). So I'm hoping you guys could give me some ideas regarding my problem!

Yes anything that you do repeatedly without interruption will become boring. I would recommend not just trying one or two different things but try lots of different things, maybe try everything.

It sounds to me like you have done your homework and asked around and are looking for the most profitable activities in Eve. While there is nothing wrong with the things that you have been doing I would recommend that you focus more on what's fun. Try everything stick with what you enjoy.

As far as training for a Battleship on a 3 week old character I would recommend against that. Large ships and their weapons have very long training times. Further incursion fleets often have some fairly strict requirements that make you train up some support skills to fairly high levels. I typically recommend that new players avoid large ships for a good long while maybe even their first year. If you spend the next several month bee lining into a Battleship that will be several months where you are not training for anything else and could prevent you from trying a lot of other cool stuff.

As far as incursions yes that can be decent isk but I find them very boring and repetitive and that is coming from someone who "grinds" anoms for hours on end sometimes.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#17 - 2016-01-06 01:24:59 UTC
Also, when it comes to earning "decent" isk. If you earn more isk than gets blown up, you're making decent isk.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-01-06 01:39:20 UTC
Joran Dorn wrote:

I hadn´t considered PVP until 'later' in my career but your post inspired me. Looked up the Maulus and it seems like a fun little ship and looks great at the same time. Definitely gonna look up those videos and have a go at it as soon as I have the time :)

Glad to hear it!

Grrr.
Goshiin Kisaragi
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-01-06 16:50:32 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Jspace ... J00373624 = wormholespace.

Yeah you're using a covops, making it comparatively easy to be safe. Use a non-covops, fit a standard cloak and you'll notice that wormholespace was only dull, because you made it too easy to be safe. See my thread in this subforum. :)

A suggestion, nothing more. It will improve the experience. :)

Not a bad idea. I've come up with another one, yours inspired me greatly:P
Ginnie wrote:
I've seen many players recommend using a Tactical Destroyer for all High Sec exploring. I use a Navy Omen. I can't do the lowest level DED sites, but anything worth doing I can do just fine. For Low Sec, I keep my costs very low and risk very little. I only fly a T1 frigate with all T1 equip. I only hit Data and Relic sites.

Low Sec can be a dangerous place especially for those that fly high cost ships like the Astero or Stratios. I've seen dozens of players swarm these ships like Africanized Honey Bees!
From my past experiences, I realized the same. The Astero's bonuses not really worth it for what I'm doing, so I'll just stick with my trusty Heron!:)
ergherhdfgh wrote:

As far as training for a Battleship on a 3 week old character I would recommend against that. Large ships and their weapons have very long training times. Further incursion fleets often have some fairly strict requirements that make you train up some support skills to fairly high levels. I typically recommend that new players avoid large ships for a good long while maybe even their first year. If you spend the next several month bee lining into a Battleship that will be several months where you are not training for anything else and could prevent you from trying a lot of other cool stuff.

As far as incursions yes that can be decent isk but I find them very boring and repetitive and that is coming from someone who "grinds" anoms for hours on end sometimes.
I'm only training the skills which I would need for other ships too. Like the drones or the T2 mid slot upgrades and such. I asked around the WTM channel and the guys said that it'll be more than enough for a beginner BS to start doing incursions. I think I won't lose anything if even I get bored doing them. I'm done with the training in 3-4 days then I'll reconsider what I want to do later and make a skill plan. Thanks for the advice, though!^^
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Also, when it comes to earning "decent" isk. If you earn more isk than gets blown up, you're making decent isk.
That was my first problem doing sites with the Astero, I could never earn enough with it to pay for it's expenses. :C
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Are you trying to make ISK doing it, or do you just want to have fun?

If you really like the exploration lifestyle, I have a challenge for you:

In the next week you have to give intel on five corporations that live in C1-C4 wormholes, and two corps from C5-C6's (corp name, system J-sig, what moon(s) their POSes are on, along with screenshots backing it up).

If you get me that information within a week (and I verify it's correct), I'll give you 50 million ISK and another 'to-do' item.

Also, I wouldn't bother with an Astero until you can fit a covert ops cloak. There's not enough of an advantage over a Heron without being able to warp when cloaked to justify its cost.

I will keep you supplied in exploration fit herons for any losses you incur while doing this

EDIT: If you want to take me up, please don't post that info/screenshots in this thread/in the forums, send me a message directly and we can talk.
That's a really nice challenge you set up for me, I'm so hyped now to explore more!:D I'll try to complete it, but I would like to ask for a little more time for this first one because I'll have my exams next week and if I can to do them succesfully, I'll have much more freetime! Anyway I'll send you the first half (the 5 C1-C4 or the 2 C5-C6 whichever I can get first) as soon as I get the intel for it in message then!:)
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#20 - 2016-01-06 17:05:58 UTC
Goshiin Kisaragi wrote:
That's a really nice challenge you set up for me, I'm so hyped now to explore more!:D I'll try to complete it, but I would like to ask for a little more time for this first one because I'll have my exams next week and if I can to do them succesfully, I'll have much more freetime! Anyway I'll send you the first half (the 5 C1-C4 or the 2 C5-C6 whichever I can get first) as soon as I get the intel for it in message then!:)


Send me a message in game and we can work out the specifics. The time period doesn't matter too much

For pure scanning/scouting, I'd recommend something like this:

High
Core Probe Launcher I
Cloak

Mid
Microwarpdrive
Scan Rangefinding Array I x2
Scan Pinpointing Array I
Scan Acquisition Array I

(if you want to run sites, drop a rangefinding array for a relic analyzer, data sites really aren't worth it ATM)

Low
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure
Type-D Restrained Inertial Stabilizers

Rigs
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I x2

Warrior drones

Sometime in the next few days, after we can talk in game I will fit up what I recommend and contract a few to you
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