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Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#101 - 2015-12-26 21:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusty 3allvalve
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:


Ya try that miners. D-scan the stations, the gates, the other belts, everything, over and over again. Fly away when you see the Catalysts. Pick out some more rocks, realign, and start back into your scanning. Rinse and repeat. In a couple of hours you'll have, what, a couple MM worth of ore?

Allow me to refer you back to my previous posting.


And why should highsec be any different then the rest of EVE? Mining in W-Space? You're pinging that dscan every few seconds. Mining in Nullsec/Lowsec? You're watching intel channels, watching local and paying attention to what is going on around you.

Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
And by the way, that other miner in the belt with you has probably already bookmarked the rock beside you. You won't see the Catalysts coming. It is however, funny-as-hell hearing the advice and comments of those actually hunting and killing miners. Why not "Did you know that carrying a PLEX in your cargo hold automatically doubles your shield tank?"


You will if you watch local and pay attention to your directional scanner. Catalysts can't warp when cloaked, last time I checked.

The reality is simple. A majority of high-sec miners feel that they should be able to park next to the rock, push f1, and then AFK for 45 mins to do other things, maybe checking in once in a while to push F1 on another rock. If this is how they want to play EVE, they get no sympathy from me when they wake up in a station and are confused as to how they got there. It's the same in nullsec when ratting, it's the same in w-space, it's the same everywhere, if you don't pay attention to what is going on around you and actually use the tools the game gives you and wander off to watch a movie, you have a much higher chance of getting dead.

Working as intended.


Look here rat, I didn't say anything about a Catalyst warping cloaked did I? Once you've been bookmarked and the cats roll in on you in a fleet, you're scrambled, webified, and popped in just enough time to plan to time your pod warp to station. However, I wouldn't expect you to know much about the side that takes that kind of risks though, team-pirate.
Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#102 - 2015-12-26 21:44:56 UTC
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
So sorry, but you're NOT gonna stop Code. The "balance" of high security systems is a power that belongs only to CCP. Logically, if they wanted to fix it, they would have.
Those who gank their way down to -10 (not a nice CONCORD friendship) know the blanket of protection every time they dock in a "HIGH SECURITY" system like a serial killer in a doughnut shop full of cops. They can and will enjoy their chosen activities in low sec as well, quite unlike so many players of a different class, or style. And if they want to repair their Concord status, they can buy that anytime, like the rest of us.
Point is, without making any assuming claims to the CCP position on the matter, this so-called "balance" is not up to us.


Pirates will act SO proud of their accomplishments. lol
Harley Softail
Coin Laundry
#103 - 2015-12-26 21:57:52 UTC
She wouldn't pull that crap with me. I don't mob hunt unarmed players for bragging rights. I PvP.
Symphony-Angel
New Eden Police Force
United Caldari Space Command.
#104 - 2015-12-27 01:37:25 UTC
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!

Uhm... no, that won't work.

You won't get enough cycles off to pop them all before the target dies.
Worse... you will not reliably get all bombs to ignite at once.

Someone correct me please if this has improved yet.
Last time I read about it, disco in highsec is bugged thanks to CONCORD and heavy math.


You are correct.

What all of these angry miners fail to realize is that the fight started long before the gankers landed on grid, and once the catalysts have landed in optimal range - the fight is already over.

Of course, this can be totally mitigated by watching local, using the directional scanner, and displaying even the faintest hint of tactical awareness, skills that the average highsec miner does not possess.



I used a smart bombing cruiser to attack code the other night, with my bombs, EW and other incoming fire we stopped a freighter gank in its tracks, what's not working?

Look at my KB, in total damaged 9 ships, not enough cycles to solo kills but the point was to stop the gank and we did

Code. Fail
Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#105 - 2015-12-27 02:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusty 3allvalve
Symphony-Angel wrote:

I used a smart bombing cruiser to attack code the other night, with my bombs, EW and other incoming fire we stopped a freighter gank in its tracks, what's not working?

Look at my KB, in total damaged 9 ships, not enough cycles to solo kills but the point was to stop the gank and we did

Code. Fail


I salute you
o7
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#106 - 2015-12-27 10:13:20 UTC
Symphony-Angel wrote:
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!

Uhm... no, that won't work.

You won't get enough cycles off to pop them all before the target dies.
Worse... you will not reliably get all bombs to ignite at once.

Someone correct me please if this has improved yet.
Last time I read about it, disco in highsec is bugged thanks to CONCORD and heavy math.


You are correct.

What all of these angry miners fail to realize is that the fight started long before the gankers landed on grid, and once the catalysts have landed in optimal range - the fight is already over.

Of course, this can be totally mitigated by watching local, using the directional scanner, and displaying even the faintest hint of tactical awareness, skills that the average highsec miner does not possess.



I used a smart bombing cruiser to attack code the other night, with my bombs, EW and other incoming fire we stopped a freighter gank in its tracks, what's not working?

Look at my KB, in total damaged 9 ships, not enough cycles to solo kills but the point was to stop the gank and we did

Code. Fail

So you managed to stop one gank from happening. How many did you fail to stop? I bet way more than you stopped.

But keep trying and you might get that gold star sticker you always wanted...
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#107 - 2015-12-27 10:44:10 UTC
Content is content is content

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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Murmanox
The Trembling Hand
#108 - 2015-12-27 19:13:24 UTC
Well I have jovians in my high sec mercenary corp

I'll sic them on you if you don't stop ganking

Jovian means justice
Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#109 - 2016-01-01 22:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusty 3allvalve
I don't mind that a group of thieves, liars and scammers group up to take advantage of of a games weak points. That's just natural exploitation of means. What DOES bug the crap out of me is that it just doesn't line up. -10 sec status individuals living happily in high security space, welcomed by those who wouldn't (ex: Empire [NPC] station owners) and not pursued by those who would (faction police are little threat, and we are talking about CONCORD standing). Faction police should be writing tickets, issuing fines; Concord should be hunting and enforcing; Station owners who harbor -10 criminals should themselves be an enemy of the state (I have been fined (ticketed) for what was confiscated from my cargo hold. Frickin' locator agents, hello. They would KNOW these people are present). And why have these criminals' assets not been frozen or seized?
Truly, there are so many things wrong with the current design and so many ways to see it that I have trouble understanding why CCP would ignore these things that just don't fit. So if we are NOT interested in plausibility and immersion, I'd love to see ships with big red capes with a big S on them awarded to those pilots selected as super achievers of exploiting the ridiculous...That would fit. That'd be coo
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#110 - 2016-01-01 23:08:25 UTC
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
I don't mind that a group of thieves, liars and scammers group up to take advantage of of a games weak points. That's just natural exploitation of means. What DOES bug the crap out of me is that it just doesn't line up. -10 sec status individuals living happily in high security space, welcomed by those who wouldn't (ex: Empire [NPC] station owners) and not pursued by those who would (faction police are little threat, and we are talking about CONCORD standing). Faction police should be writing tickets, issuing fines; Concord should be hunting and enforcing; Station owners who harbor -10 criminals should themselves be an enemy of the state (I have been fined (ticketed) for what was confiscated from my cargo hold. Frickin' locator agents, hello. They would KNOW these people are present). And why have these criminals' assets not been frozen or seized?
Truly, there are so many things wrong with the design and so many ways to see it that I have trouble understanding why CCP would ignore these things that just don't fit. I DO understand playing your own game and choosing your side, but IF this were the case, how could they not feel like pathetically lame losers for such exploits...so I'll assume out of love for EvE that that's not the case. So if we are NOT interested in plausibility and immersion, I'd love to see ships with big red capes with a big S on them awarded to those pilots selected as super achievers of exploiting the ridiculous...That would fit. That'd be coo


bore off

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#111 - 2016-01-02 07:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusty 3allvalve
Lan Wang wrote:
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
I don't mind that a group of thieves, liars and scammers group up to take advantage of of a games weak points. That's just natural exploitation of means. What DOES bug the crap out of me is that it just doesn't line up. -10 sec status individuals living happily in high security space, welcomed by those who wouldn't (ex: Empire [NPC] station owners) and not pursued by those who would (faction police are little threat, and we are talking about CONCORD standing). Faction police should be writing tickets, issuing fines; Concord should be hunting and enforcing; Station owners who harbor -10 criminals should themselves be an enemy of the state (I have been fined (ticketed) for what was confiscated from my cargo hold. Frickin' locator agents, hello. They would KNOW these people are present). And why have these criminals' assets not been frozen or seized?
Truly, there are so many things wrong with the design and so many ways to see it that I have trouble understanding why CCP would ignore these things that just don't fit. I DO understand playing your own game and choosing your side, but IF this were the case, how could they not feel like pathetically lame losers for such exploits...so I'll assume out of love for EvE that that's not the case. So if we are NOT interested in plausibility and immersion, I'd love to see ships with big red capes with a big S on them awarded to those pilots selected as super achievers of exploiting the ridiculous...That would fit. That'd be coo


bore off


Bore yourself and find a high place to jump from. Until then, try to imagine having something to contribute. That should help with your confidence when you get up there.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#112 - 2016-01-02 11:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

bore off


Bore yourself and find a high place to jump from. Until then, try to imagine having something to contribute. That should help with your confidence when you get up there.

umadbro? why do you tell people to jump off something high? I think you are just mad you are bad at the game. Maybe you should calm down before writing another comment.

Evil RatKid
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#113 - 2016-01-02 13:39:18 UTC
Wow...

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#114 - 2016-01-02 15:54:42 UTC
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
I don't mind that a group of thieves, liars and scammers group up to take advantage of of a games weak points. That's just natural exploitation of means. What DOES bug the crap out of me is that it just doesn't line up. -10 sec status individuals living happily in high security space, welcomed by those who wouldn't (ex: Empire [NPC] station owners) and not pursued by those who would (faction police are little threat, and we are talking about CONCORD standing). Faction police should be writing tickets, issuing fines; Concord should be hunting and enforcing; Station owners who harbor -10 criminals should themselves be an enemy of the state (I have been fined (ticketed) for what was confiscated from my cargo hold. Frickin' locator agents, hello. They would KNOW these people are present). And why have these criminals' assets not been frozen or seized?
Truly, there are so many things wrong with the design and so many ways to see it that I have trouble understanding why CCP would ignore these things that just don't fit. I DO understand playing your own game and choosing your side, but IF this were the case, how could they not feel like pathetically lame losers for such exploits...so I'll assume out of love for EvE that that's not the case. So if we are NOT interested in plausibility and immersion, I'd love to see ships with big red capes with a big S on them awarded to those pilots selected as super achievers of exploiting the ridiculous...That would fit. That'd be coo


You have a point. I'm not sure what it is though as I can't see it clearly. Could you dust off some of the salt?

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Jacques d'Orleans
#115 - 2016-01-05 17:29:53 UTC
Saskia Laru wrote:
The OP has joined Doomheim. Thus ends another would be rebel leader.


Most possibly his mum found out that he paid his acccount with her credit card. Big smileBig smile

Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
Nitshe Razvedka
#116 - 2016-01-05 17:40:48 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

I like turtles n gankers

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#117 - 2016-01-05 19:30:18 UTC
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
I don't mind that a group of thieves, liars and scammers group up to take advantage of of a games weak points. That's just natural exploitation of means. What DOES bug the crap out of me is that it just doesn't line up. -10 sec status individuals living happily in high security space, welcomed by those who wouldn't (ex: Empire [NPC] station owners) and not pursued by those who would (faction police are little threat, and we are talking about CONCORD standing). Faction police should be writing tickets, issuing fines; Concord should be hunting and enforcing; Station owners who harbor -10 criminals should themselves be an enemy of the state (I have been fined (ticketed) for what was confiscated from my cargo hold. Frickin' locator agents, hello. They would KNOW these people are present). And why have these criminals' assets not been frozen or seized?
Truly, there are so many things wrong with the design and so many ways to see it that I have trouble understanding why CCP would ignore these things that just don't fit. I DO understand playing your own game and choosing your side, but IF this were the case, how could they not feel like pathetically lame losers for such exploits...so I'll assume out of love for EvE that that's not the case. So if we are NOT interested in plausibility and immersion, I'd love to see ships with big red capes with a big S on them awarded to those pilots selected as super achievers of exploiting the ridiculous...That would fit. That'd be coo


As to why CCP doesn't make the treatment of -10s more "realistic": your proposals would effectively kill the lowsec pirate lifestyle. The -10s of lowsec would be far more impacted by this than gankers who can operate out of Orcas and Bowheads in safespots, inside POS shields, and (soon) citadels.

CCP has given capsuleers the tools to combat CODE. I'm currently training a test alt to see if I can spoil a few ganks with some new ideas, just to see if I'm on the right track with the mechanics. Of course, I don't typically share my results with the general population.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2016-01-05 21:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ozzie Udan
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As to why CCP doesn't make the treatment of -10s more "realistic": your proposals would effectively kill the lowsec pirate lifestyle. The -10s of lowsec would be far more impacted by this than gankers who can operate out of Orcas and Bowheads in safespots, inside POS shields, and (soon) citadels.

CCP has given capsuleers the tools to combat CODE. I'm currently training a test alt to see if I can spoil a few ganks with some new ideas, just to see if I'm on the right track with the mechanics. Of course, I don't typically share my results with the general population.[/quote]

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

If you need any help with your alt me or my currently training alt would be happy to help, he can't wait to get started with any type of work.....

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#119 - 2016-01-05 23:04:26 UTC
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
I don't mind that a group of thieves, liars and scammers group up to take advantage of of a games weak points. That's just natural exploitation of means. What DOES bug the crap out of me is that it just doesn't line up. -10 sec status individuals living happily in high security space, welcomed by those who wouldn't (ex: Empire [NPC] station owners) and not pursued by those who would (faction police are little threat, and we are talking about CONCORD standing). Faction police should be writing tickets, issuing fines; Concord should be hunting and enforcing; Station owners who harbor -10 criminals should themselves be an enemy of the state (I have been fined (ticketed) for what was confiscated from my cargo hold. Frickin' locator agents, hello. They would KNOW these people are present). And why have these criminals' assets not been frozen or seized?
Truly, there are so many things wrong with the design and so many ways to see it that I have trouble understanding why CCP would ignore these things that just don't fit. I DO understand playing your own game and choosing your side, but IF this were the case, how could they not feel like pathetically lame losers for such exploits...so I'll assume out of love for EvE that that's not the case. So if we are NOT interested in plausibility and immersion, I'd love to see ships with big red capes with a big S on them awarded to those pilots selected as super achievers of exploiting the ridiculous...That would fit. That'd be coo

What you're asking for is just one more nerf.
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#120 - 2016-01-23 02:09:22 UTC
Vanilla Mooses wrote:


If you really want to stop the New Order, simply do your part and make sure all residents of highsec hold a proper permit and obey the law. Those of us who enforce the law do not enjoy violence but sometimes drastic measures are required when dealing with criminals. We have to keep highsec safe and make it a great place for everyone!



Don't crap on. Buying a permit isn't stopping the New Order, that's the exact opposite: giving in to their extortion. I don't support botting, but I also don't support being a constant hazard to mining and shipping operations.

CODE's day of reckoning will come soon; a day when you will no longer be able to gank, infuriate and bully defenseless miners into paying you protection money. A day when you will fully realize the scope and extent of your error. A day when carebears from Domain to Aridia band together and declare total rejection of your assumed authority and arbitrary laws. A day when we will all see what you don't want us to see: A New Eden without you.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.