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Bifrost -the new svipul?
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Daku Otsito
Otsito Response Team
#1 - 2016-01-05 11:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Daku Otsito
so i've been flying the new dessies and theorycrafting their uses, at day 2 it hit me. this thing is as cancer to the small ships as the svipul . same tank same dps (if you account falloff and tracking) and more importantly same speed 4.3kms oh with clean clone and no links (with defense mode resists) the only svipul fit that can kill you is the 10 mn one but you should be easily able to disengage from it.

[Bifrost,]
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
1MN Afterburner II
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

mind you rigs are to taste (you can do polycarbons , fiting rigs for a neut , damage rigs, application rigs pick you poison

Now my concern is this, does this mean that even if they do nerf the svipul and the t3ds in general, are we never supposed to fly any frigs again? also btw does this enter the small PLEXES in FW? cause if it does ...

EDIT :

still experimenting ... and wanted to tell you about that svipul fit that gets 100 ehps and 25k ish ehp( without links) ye it does that too but with defense mode tank and speed mode speed

[Bifrost, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II

Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II

if you wanna pick an argument go for the DPS :) and we may discuss , all the other things though... im not seeing any downsides to this ship vs the svipul except one FREAKING deal breaker to me , combat probes

now i want some dude to try links on these fits and tell me how they fare,

cheers
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#2 - 2016-01-05 17:25:17 UTC
DPS is still superior on a svipul, by a good margin. Furthermore, you will have some damage application issues having only a scramble and no web. Svipul also has 2 utility slots, whereas the bifrost only has one.

Bottomline is: while looking real cool, a battle bifrost is still notably inferior in many ways to a well fitted svipul. It might look more engageable though, and this is the only strong point i would note right now. It also has ample grid and CPU, so you can try a variety of fits.

It seems to be the same story with the stork vs the jackdaw. While the jackdaw is more balanced than the svipul, you will still have trouble reaching jackdaw-levels of performance with a stork.

Lastly, the fact that bonuses are tied to the hull, and not triggered by mode switching might make fighting easier, but ultimately, someone playing with the modes real well might have the upper hand.
Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#3 - 2016-01-05 18:26:47 UTC
Svipul is going to be superior.

Your first setup, according to eft, with capped skills, has 5k ehps, 246 dps
Your second setup, according to eft, with capped skills, has 18k ehps 246 dps.

Both cap out at 3049 m/s.

If you can't dictate the range and speed of your target, they are going to take you out. With rage rockets, you better be closer than 8km and if you really are travelling at 3k m/s +, the application of that damage is going to go through the floor.
Daku Otsito
Otsito Response Team
#4 - 2016-01-06 07:38:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Daku Otsito
Ok i see where you guys come from and i suppose you have your points, now let me address a few things:

These are brawling fits so the fights will be inside 8km or most of the time right at the edge :), the second fit has no range control modules true but similar to the svipul your base speed is near 500 (490 ish) ms so you will be still faster then most things you will engage. suitonia made a great vid about the svipul explaining why the big base speed is great even with only scram

The first fit though is all about range control as it is dual prop, you have full range control even with most frigates and all dessies (except the 10 mn ones ) as you do 1100 ms cold and 1500 hot with the AB and about application the thing is you make it to be worse than it is, i have killed AB frigates with rage rockets so fast it wasn't even funny you can always use faction ones for a small drop in dps anyhow, the purpose of the dual ASB fit is not ehp but sustained 200 dps tank and meant to fight up. No cruiser will range control you barr being dual web and with 60m Sig radius i will take any fight that i took with the svipul. anyhow i'm gonna thoroughly test this thing over the week and get some more real world data to see how it fares. Will give a try to the 10mn fit too.

Also one key thing, i'm not saying this ship is better than the svipul as that thing is way op (for now?) but i see this ship having more or less the same underlying creep in power and can be as oppressive to the small things as much as the svipul with lower skill cap to fly it (rl skill cap not SP) and this due to the speed mostly as far as i can tell

final nitpick (i promise :D ) : the svipul gets around 400 dps ish (faction emp S, hail can work but too situational) with 150mm s (used for my big tank fits) at 600m optimal... the thing is unless someone is staying put at 500m (if they do you should be scared) you are looking at an average of 2500m orbit and much bigger with the 10mn making it 4-5k m at least so although you have 400 dps and i'm counting perfect tracking the falloff makes the applied dps at quite lower so in the end it's closer than you think