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Level 3 Missions - what am i doing wrong
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Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-01-04 22:33:37 UTC
So i have two battlecruisers i have set up for tanking. One is a prophecy and one is a Hurricane as below. Even with 160 tanked DPS they're still chewing at my shield. Is there a way to Perma tank Level 3's. And before you ask no i don't have the skills for the level 2 equipment, can you permatank level 3s in a battlecruiser without level 2 equipment in a battlecruiser or do i need to go get a battleship? Because I can always grab my abbadon, but the damn things not cap stable yet. Thought about grabbing a dominix for better drones. Also I want whatever build this is to be cap stable and able to permanently tank level 3 missions? is this possible? I know with level 2 missions my orthrus crusier can easily do it cap stable.


Hurricane:

High:
720 mm Scout Artillery i
720 mm Scout Artillery i
720 mm Scout Artillery i
720 mm Scout Artillery i
720 mm Scout Artillery i
720 mm Scout Artillery i

Rig:
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Mid:
Medium azotropic Restrained Shield Extender I
Medium azotropic Restrained Shield Extender I
Medium azotropic Restrained Shield Extender I
Medium azotropic Restrained Shield Extender I

Low:
Type D Restrained Shield Power Relay I
Type D Restrained Shield Power Relay I
Type D Restrained Shield Power Relay I
Type D Restrained Shield Power Relay I
Type D Restrained Shield Power Relay I
Type D Restrained Shield Power Relay I

DPS: 191 dps
Tanked DPS: 160 HP/S

Prophecy:

High:
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream i
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream i
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream i
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream i

Rig:
Medium Nanobot Accelerator i
Medium Drone Durability Enhancer I
Medium Drone Durability Enhancer I

Mid:
Euticic Cap Recharger I
Euticic Cap Recharger I
Euticic Cap Recharger I
Euticic Cap Recharger I

Low:
Medium Accomodation Vestment Reconstructor I
Medium Accomodation Vestment Reconstructor I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Upgraded Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Type D restrained Capacitor Power Relay I

Tank DPS: 80.73 HP/s
DPS: 237 Mostly from Drones
Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-01-04 22:35:44 UTC
also speed tanking possible with battlecruisers at cap stability?
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2016-01-04 22:44:53 UTC
Shocked

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-01-04 22:46:55 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Shocked

okay yes I know my skills are all over the place... I have ADD...
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-01-04 23:02:20 UTC
Not sure if trolling.
Dont use plain T1, use the metalevel items.
Use large extenders, get resistances against specific damagetype of the enemy.


Something like:
(downgrade T2 to metastuff)

[Hurricane, PvE Passive Shield]
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher

Large Shield Extender II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-01-04 23:07:54 UTC
Termy Rockling wrote:
Not sure if trolling.
Dont use plain T1, use the metalevel items.
Use large extenders, get resistances against specific damagetype of the enemy.


Something like:
(downgrade T2 to metastuff)

[Hurricane, PvE Passive Shield]
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher

Large Shield Extender II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

again, can't use Tier 2 yet... Training for it.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-01-04 23:24:15 UTC
I did say to downgrade to metastuff Cool
Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-01-04 23:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Adoudel
Just saw the meta part, what's meta, you mean like faction gear? I got plenty of isk I can do that?

Also I'm just getting back in and it's been AGES since I played. like before they introduced a lot of stuff.
Joran Dorn
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-01-04 23:28:22 UTC
Alexis Adoudel wrote:
Just saw the meta part, what's meta, you mean like faction gear? I got plenty of isk I can do that?

Also I'm just getting back in and it's been AGES since I played. like before they introduced a lot of stuff.



Meta gear are L1 modules with better stats ... they have the same skill demands but make you more powerful at a increased cost.
Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-01-04 23:32:54 UTC
Joran Dorn wrote:
Alexis Adoudel wrote:
Just saw the meta part, what's meta, you mean like faction gear? I got plenty of isk I can do that?

Also I'm just getting back in and it's been AGES since I played. like before they introduced a lot of stuff.



Meta gear are L1 modules with better stats ... they have the same skill demands but make you more powerful at a increased cost.

I thought that's what i was getting. or at least the best i could find in station.
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-01-04 23:35:01 UTC
I use a Cane for lvl 3s. Scout 720s, RLML, AB, Shield booster (used sparingly), and 2 mission-specific active hardeners.

Lows 3 gyros, damage control, 2 tracking enhancers.

Fit breezes through lvl 3s without even using drones. Not sure why sitting there tanking everything while cap stable is a good idea when you can just blow everything up and be done with it.

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― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-01-04 23:47:48 UTC
Alexis Adoudel wrote:
Joran Dorn wrote:
Alexis Adoudel wrote:
Just saw the meta part, what's meta, you mean like faction gear? I got plenty of isk I can do that?

Also I'm just getting back in and it's been AGES since I played. like before they introduced a lot of stuff.



Meta gear are L1 modules with better stats ... they have the same skill demands but make you more powerful at a increased cost.

I thought that's what i was getting. or at least the best i could find in station.


Ye that was my bad, the post just looked so trollish so i just saw the "I"s at the end.
Rest of the post should still be correct.
Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-01-04 23:49:53 UTC
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
I use a Cane for lvl 3s. Scout 720s, RLML, AB, Shield booster (used sparingly), and 2 mission-specific active hardeners.

Lows 3 gyros, damage control, 2 tracking enhancers.

Fit breezes through lvl 3s without even using drones. Not sure why sitting there tanking everything while cap stable is a good idea when you can just blow everything up and be done with it.

There's a certain satisfaction from watching people try to blow you up and get nowhere.
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#14 - 2016-01-05 00:01:38 UTC
Alexis Adoudel wrote:

There's a certain satisfaction from watching people try to blow you up and get nowhere.


Well,
1)It's not people.
2)One-size-smaller shield boosters with addition of 3 hardeners offer the same result as your passive tank Frankenstein's nightmare without wasting lows, which may be used for slapping gyrostabilizers and tracking enhancers. So, we talk about 75% more dps and ~33% better range/tracking.
Tiffany Starr
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-01-05 01:07:02 UTC
You are using Medium Shield Extenders on a BC.

Use Large.

Problem solved.
Alexis Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-01-05 01:17:20 UTC
Tiffany Starr wrote:
You are using Medium Shield Extenders on a BC.

Use Large.

Problem solved.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. well... that makes more sense.
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#17 - 2016-01-05 03:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
"Translated" Termy Rockling's Fit for you into "Meta" Blink

Meta-Modules are not comparable with Officer/Deadspace Modules. They are slightly downgraded T2 variantes with lesser cpu/powergrid usage or skill requirements.

[Hurricane, PvE Passive Shield]
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher

Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Explosive Deflection Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay
Pneumatic Stabilization Actuator I
Pneumatic Stabilization Actuator I
Pneumatic Stabilization Actuator I
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#18 - 2016-01-05 09:05:09 UTC
Rovinia wrote:
"Translated" Termy Rockling's Fit for you into "Meta" Blink

[Hurricane, PvE Passive Shield]

Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Explosive Deflection Field ILimited Explosive Deflection Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field ILimited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Fixed that for you
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#19 - 2016-01-05 11:38:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
The answer to your question 'what am I doing wrong' is simple. You are trying to do cap stable on something that isn't a Gila or Marauder. Cap stable is bad and you need to rid yourself of this affliction. Cap Boosters and Pith Shield Boosters will lead you to your salvation.

ps. Do we still passive tank Drakes?

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#20 - 2016-01-05 15:51:28 UTC
Alexis Adoudel wrote:
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
I use a Cane for lvl 3s. Scout 720s, RLML, AB, Shield booster (used sparingly), and 2 mission-specific active hardeners.

Lows 3 gyros, damage control, 2 tracking enhancers.

Fit breezes through lvl 3s without even using drones. Not sure why sitting there tanking everything while cap stable is a good idea when you can just blow everything up and be done with it.

There's a certain satisfaction from watching people try to blow you up and get nowhere.


NPC =/= People

These fits, although possible, just aren't practical. You sacrifice so much of what that ship is supposed to be in order to sit and let things pound on you.

Many, Many, Many years ago, I was taught, as my first lesson, how ship fitting works.

"Fit your guns, dump everything you can into damage, then, with what's left, fit a tank. Nibble away at your damage until you have a suitable tank to last you long enough to kill whatever's looking at you."
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